Bike won't start

TraumaOne · 12-28-2006, 08:00 PM

I went to start the triumph today and it would barely turn over. I just rode it a week ago and no issues. I hooked the battery tender up, but it kicked over to trickle pretty quickly so I just assumed I had a battery that was no good anymore. I went and got a new one... same thing, checked the charge on that one as well and it is ok.

Will a dead/dying starter sound like the engine will barely turn over? I guess I need to haul the thing down to the dealer in g-boro

Hammer · 12-28-2006, 08:05 PM

Yes a bad starter will give the same symptoms as a dead battery. But I would be more inclined to think it would be a loose connection somewhere rather than a bad starter given the age of the bike. A loose connection costs less to fix than a starter.

RedRider · 12-28-2006, 08:26 PM

Did you charge the new battery before trying to start the bike? Some batteries off the shelf have low voltages.

TraumaOne · 12-28-2006, 11:02 PM

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Originally Posted by RedRider

Did you charge the new battery before trying to start the bike? Some batteries off the shelf have low voltages.

Yeah, I tried charging the new battery as well... no go.

TraumaOne · 12-28-2006, 11:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Hammer

Yes a bad starter will give the same symptoms as a dead battery. But I would be more inclined to think it would be a loose connection somewhere rather than a bad starter given the age of the bike. A loose connection costs less to fix than a starter.

But it is a Triumph... It also has a two year warranty thank goodness...

I tried jiggling things... no go. The lights and everything else come up bright and just fine... just turning over the motor is very sluggish.

Hammer · 12-28-2006, 11:09 PM

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Originally Posted by TraumaOne

But it is a Triumph...

You got a point.

Leelover · 12-29-2006, 12:09 AM

We have had a couple of electrical problems on my son's @004 Daytona 955.
Rectifier/regulator went bad at about 1000 mi and AGAIN at 5600 mi and about 8 months later.
The dealer replaced the part under warranty both times. The main wiring harness was getting extremely hot near the fuse block. The dealer could not find a problem. We opened up the harness and inspected it, couldn't find any obvious problems, and grounds were all clean and tight. We ended up replacing 2 crimp connectors in the main supply wire with solder joints and it seems to be ok now.
The ghost of the prince of darkness must still haunt Triumphs!

TraumaOne · 12-29-2006, 01:09 PM

What symptoms will a bad regulator rectifier give?

bda116 · 12-29-2006, 01:31 PM

Fever, stuffy sinuses and a general sluggish feeling.

Leelover · 12-29-2006, 01:40 PM

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Originally Posted by TraumaOne

What symptoms will a bad regulator rectifier give?

On Corey's bike the batt would get slowly weaker. It would crank slower each time it was started. We charged several times and it would last awhile before it got toa noticable point. It finally got to the point the bike would shut down if he road it too far. (good thing for Dad, the trailer man! twice.)
We found with the faied reg/rect his bike would charge slightly at low speed, then drop off to discharge after about 3000rpm. Weird.
I am not sure that this is your problem based on the symptoms you described.

Leelover · 12-29-2006, 01:48 PM

If your batt is fully charged (do you have a charger besides the tender, btw?) I would suspect either bad connections, either at the batt, starter, solenoid, or ground. If not that, then the starter itself is a possibility.
I would deffinatly get it to the dealer, you want to have the paper trail no matter if they find a problem or not.

Leelover · 12-29-2006, 01:49 PM

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Originally Posted by bda116

Fever, stuffy sinuses and a general sluggish feeling.

Ahah, so that's it! I thought it was my prostrate!

JH41 · 12-29-2006, 02:26 PM

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Originally Posted by TraumaOne

What symptoms will a bad regulator rectifier give?

I dont know... but I know the cure:

-2005 Triumph Sprint ST(for sale!)
-2003 Honda RC-51

-jh

RedRider · 12-29-2006, 02:28 PM

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Originally Posted by TraumaOne

What symptoms will a bad regulator rectifier give?

It can overcharge or undercharge your battery...

wave3racing · 12-29-2006, 11:03 PM

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Originally Posted by TraumaOne

But it is a Triumph... It also has a two year warranty thank goodness...

I tried jiggling things... no go. The lights and everything else come up bright and just fine... just turning over the motor is very sluggish.

You should have gotten one that was already broken in!

Are you up & running yet?

Tuffy6969 · 12-30-2006, 11:13 AM

Did you try filling the tank with gas?

Just kidding Trauma - someone had to be an a**hole!!

Leelover · 12-30-2006, 11:19 AM

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Originally Posted by Tuffy6969

Did you try filling the tank with gas?

Just kidding Trauma - someone had to be an a**hole!!

Tuffy there is no lack of that particular anatomy part on this site.

Tuffy6969 · 12-30-2006, 03:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Leelover

Tuffy there is no lack of that particular anatomy part on this site.

Yeah - the chocolate starfish is here in force.

TraumaOne · 12-30-2006, 07:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Tuffy6969

Yeah - the chocolate starfish is here in force.

ok, that was a visual I did not need...

I took the bike to the dealer today and dropped it off. I'm on vacation this coming week so they have plenty of time to fix it and do the recall(s).

Tuffy6969 · 12-30-2006, 08:04 PM

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Originally Posted by TraumaOne

ok, that was a visual I did not need...

I took the bike to the dealer today and dropped it off. I'm on vacation this coming week so they have plenty of time to fix it and do the recall(s).

I know.....sick isn't it.

TraumaOne · 12-30-2006, 08:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Tuffy6969

I know.....sick isn't it.

Revvv · 12-31-2006, 02:57 AM

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Originally Posted by Tuffy6969

Yeah - the chocolate starfish is here in force.

You're gonna turn Phobe on and get him all stirred up again.

Tuffy6969 · 12-31-2006, 12:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Revvv

You're gonna turn Phobe on and get him all stirred up again.

Lord knows we don't want that! I don't want to get the o'l boy's heart rate up too high!

TraumaOne · 01-03-2007, 10:11 AM

ok, something is bad wrong with it... loss of compression. They got that far then stopped to ask me what the speedohealer is. They though it was a fuel management system.... So they will be doing lots of tests. They accused me of modding the shit out of it and asked why the rear cowl had a melted spot. They told me they thought I let it sit around running by itself and also of taking it to the track. I must say, I don't like being accused of this sort of thing... The bike is stock... Sheesh. We'll see what happens. Thank god for a 2 year warranty.

Leelover · 01-03-2007, 10:22 AM

Loss of compression? Wow THAT is bad wrong!
How many miles on that thing?

Tuffy6969 · 01-03-2007, 10:48 AM

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Originally Posted by TraumaOne

ok, something is bad wrong with it... loss of compression. They got that far then stopped to ask me what the speedohealer is.

I thought a Speedohealer was a preacher with quick healing power. Am I wrong?

12-28-2006, 08:00 PM	#1
TraumaOne a mowing target Join Date: 12-13-2006 Location: Greenville, NC Age: 34 Bike(s): 2008 Yamaha FZ-6 Posts: 1,572	Bike won't start I went to start the triumph today and it would barely turn over. I just rode it a week ago and no issues. I hooked the battery tender up, but it kicked over to trickle pretty quickly so I just assumed I had a battery that was no good anymore. I went and got a new one... same thing, checked the charge on that one as well and it is ok. Will a dead/dying starter sound like the engine will barely turn over? I guess I need to haul the thing down to the dealer in g-boro __________________ Need a custom cake? The Cakery

12-28-2006, 08:05 PM	#2
Hammer For Sale Join Date: 12-17-2006 Location: Indiana Age: 39 Bike(s): 05 Suzuki 600 Posts: 5,018 Images: 12	Re: Bike won't start Yes a bad starter will give the same symptoms as a dead battery. But I would be more inclined to think it would be a loose connection somewhere rather than a bad starter given the age of the bike. A loose connection costs less to fix than a starter.

12-28-2006, 08:26 PM	#3
RedRider Join Date: 12-13-2006 Age: 49 Bike(s): 929 Posts: 2,440	Re: Bike won't start Did you charge the new battery before trying to start the bike? Some batteries off the shelf have low voltages.

12-29-2006, 12:09 AM	#7
Leelover Remembering RAH-VFR...RIP #20 Join Date: 12-18-2006 Location: Fort Myers, FL Bike(s): 06 FJR1300 & 01 GSXR 750 Posts: 1,473	Re: Bike won't start We have had a couple of electrical problems on my son's @004 Daytona 955. Rectifier/regulator went bad at about 1000 mi and AGAIN at 5600 mi and about 8 months later. The dealer replaced the part under warranty both times. The main wiring harness was getting extremely hot near the fuse block. The dealer could not find a problem. We opened up the harness and inspected it, couldn't find any obvious problems, and grounds were all clean and tight. We ended up replacing 2 crimp connectors in the main supply wire with solder joints and it seems to be ok now. The ghost of the prince of darkness must still haunt Triumphs! __________________ "The Father wove the skein of your life a long time ago. Go and hide in a hole if you wish, but you won't live one instant longer. Your fate is fixed. Fear profits a man nothing." Herger the Joyous

12-29-2006, 01:09 PM	#8
TraumaOne a mowing target Join Date: 12-13-2006 Location: Greenville, NC Age: 34 Bike(s): 2008 Yamaha FZ-6 Posts: 1,572	Re: Bike won't start What symptoms will a bad regulator rectifier give? __________________ Need a custom cake? The Cakery

12-29-2006, 01:31 PM	#9
bda116 Done. Join Date: 12-17-2006 Bike(s): . Posts: 2,113	Re: Bike won't start Fever, stuffy sinuses and a general sluggish feeling. __________________ "Islam isn't in America to be equal to any other faith, but to become dominant. The Koran should be the highest authority in America, and Islam the only accepted religion on Earth." - Omar M. Ahmad, founding chairman of CAIR.

12-29-2006, 01:48 PM	#11
Leelover Remembering RAH-VFR...RIP #20 Join Date: 12-18-2006 Location: Fort Myers, FL Bike(s): 06 FJR1300 & 01 GSXR 750 Posts: 1,473	Re: Bike won't start If your batt is fully charged (do you have a charger besides the tender, btw?) I would suspect either bad connections, either at the batt, starter, solenoid, or ground. If not that, then the starter itself is a possibility. I would deffinatly get it to the dealer, you want to have the paper trail no matter if they find a problem or not. __________________ "The Father wove the skein of your life a long time ago. Go and hide in a hole if you wish, but you won't live one instant longer. Your fate is fixed. Fear profits a man nothing." Herger the Joyous

12-30-2006, 11:13 AM	#16
Tuffy6969 ...Recon you could make me some Bizkits? Join Date: 12-29-2006 Location: Inland Empire, Ca. Age: 35 Bike(s): 2003 CBR954RR Posts: 227	Re: Bike won't start Did you try filling the tank with gas? Just kidding Trauma - someone had to be an ahole!! __________________ He who rides Honda...rides happy!**

01-03-2007, 10:11 AM	#24
TraumaOne a mowing target Join Date: 12-13-2006 Location: Greenville, NC Age: 34 Bike(s): 2008 Yamaha FZ-6 Posts: 1,572	Re: Bike won't start ok, something is bad wrong with it... loss of compression. They got that far then stopped to ask me what the speedohealer is. They though it was a fuel management system.... So they will be doing lots of tests. They accused me of modding the shit out of it and asked why the rear cowl had a melted spot. They told me they thought I let it sit around running by itself and also of taking it to the track. I must say, I don't like being accused of this sort of thing... The bike is stock... Sheesh. We'll see what happens. Thank god for a 2 year warranty. __________________ Need a custom cake? The Cakery

01-03-2007, 10:22 AM	#25
Leelover Remembering RAH-VFR...RIP #20 Join Date: 12-18-2006 Location: Fort Myers, FL Bike(s): 06 FJR1300 & 01 GSXR 750 Posts: 1,473	Re: Bike won't start Loss of compression? Wow THAT is bad wrong! How many miles on that thing? __________________ "The Father wove the skein of your life a long time ago. Go and hide in a hole if you wish, but you won't live one instant longer. Your fate is fixed. Fear profits a man nothing." Herger the Joyous