The only gear/tech question I have is my Helmet. 08 model Icon, but no "born on date" to be found? Dot/Snell ..but why is that?
No Snell = No ride
Short answer, because Abtech said so
Long answer, because the snell goes through more rigorous testing and is more stringent. Thus making sure if you bust your ass on the track you will still know how to recite your ABC's
You may be in ICU, in traction and a body cast. But you will know your ABC's
Amateurs practices until they get it right. A professional practices until they can't get it wrong.
You may be in ICU, in traction and a body cast. But you will know your ABC's
If I wasn't personally attached to my sig that would be my new one.
...dude you ride an offroad bike with slicks, 1/2 the weight of a GS, double the suspension, with a browning 50 cal going off 32" from your skull as a daily freaking driver - I'd expect anything except a nitro dragbike to be bland by comparison - SSG
Long answer, because the snell goes through more rigorous testing and is more stringent. Thus making sure if you bust your ass on the track you will still know how to recite your ABC's
You may be in ICU, in traction and a body cast. But you will know your ABC's
Thats not what I'm asking. My helmet is snell. WERA, (not a2a) requires a born on date. Most high dollar helmets are already DOT and Snell as mine. My question is even though I know my helmet is an 08 model, and less then a year old, why doesn't it have a born on date on it? OR how could I get it? btw its not under the liner that I can find...but cereal #?
Do sober what you said what you'd do drunk. That will teach you to keep your mouth shut. - Ernest Hemingway
Thats not what I'm asking. My helmet is snell. WERA, (not a2a) requires a born on date. Most high dollar helmets are already DOT and Snell as mine. My question is even though I know my helmet is an 08 model, and less then a year old, why doesn't it have a born on date on it? OR how could I get it? btw its not under the liner that I can find...but cereal #?
Check the strap
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Thats not what I'm asking. My helmet is snell. WERA, (not a2a) requires a born on date. Most high dollar helmets are already DOT and Snell as mine. My question is even though I know my helmet is an 08 model, and less then a year old, why doesn't it have a born on date on it? OR how could I get it? btw its not under the liner that I can find...but cereal #?
Check the chinstrap as well.
on the Snell cert decal, it should have a 200? on it.
Which one is yours?
Amateurs practices until they get it right. A professional practices until they can't get it wrong.
Believe me, there are "total dumb assholes" everywhere . . .
I have spent over 200 hours staring at the track while the corner workers cleaned up some "personally accountable" assclown's oil or antifreeze. Add that to the 5 weeks or so I have been hospitalized and the months of rehab required because someone didn't check/safety wire/tighten their oil plug and I have exactly zero tolerance for any organization that doesn't personally check every potential leak or crash hazard on every bike running on the track.
Nevermind about the thousands of dollars in equipment carnage caused from negligence by a rider and the organization. This sport is dangerous enough without the risk of riding with assholes.
BTW, the guy with the beltsander can tech my bike any day of the week and I'll know it's safe . . .
You are so right. I've been at days where we've lost track time because some idiot didn't tighten an oil plug. Luckily, I haven't fallen due to someone's negligence, but plenty of others have. Yet, not one org wants to make safety wire mandatory for all groups, the excuse being it would deter new riders. I say if you want to ride a motorcycle, you need to learn to do a few basics. I used to think safety wire was "difficult" until I had to do it for a special one-day Schwantz school as part of the AMA women's conference. It ended up being easy. I got a predrilled kit. Then I found out my dealer can also drill bolts. They did, actually, at my 600 mile service because they knew I did trackdays. They called me and asked if it was ok to drill and wire my oil plug. Anyone can get it accomplished easily.
“I want to stand as close to the edge as I can without going over. Out on the edge you see all the kinds of things you can't see from the center.”
~Kurt Vonnegut, Jr.
You are so right. I've been at days where we've lost track time because some idiot didn't tighten an oil plug. Luckily, I haven't fallen due to someone's negligence, but plenty of others have. Yet, not one org wants to make safety wire mandatory for all groups, the excuse being it would deter new riders. I say if you want to ride a motorcycle, you need to learn to do a few basics. I used to think safety wire was "difficult" until I had to do it for a special one-day Schwantz school as part of the AMA women's conference. It ended up being easy. I got a predrilled kit. Then I found out my dealer can also drill bolts. They did, actually, at my 600 mile service because they knew I did trackdays. They called me and asked if it was ok to drill and wire my oil plug. Anyone can get it accomplished easily.
I have to admit when I was first checking into doing the track all the requirements seemed crazy to do all at once. If I had to do a bunch of safety wiring it might have deterred me. Now that I look back it wasn't a big deal... it was just trying to do everything in a week, plus buy all new gear. Since you can buy drain plugs with safety wiring holes all ready in, for next year I will be all wired regardless. I still use all torque specs + blue lock tight because I'm anal though.
Do sober what you said what you'd do drunk. That will teach you to keep your mouth shut. - Ernest Hemingway
I have to admit when I was first checking into doing the track all the requirements seemed crazy to do all at once. If I had to do a bunch of safety wiring it might have deterred me. Now that I look back it wasn't a big deal... it was just trying to do everything in a week, plus buy all new gear. Since you can buy drain plugs with safety wiring holes all ready in, for next year I will be all wired regardless. I still use all torque specs + blue lock tight because I'm anal though.
I wouldn't use loctite on an oil drain plug, that shit turns to hard plastic and will plug up a pickup screen. Drilling the bolts is easy, if you don't have the time send them to me and I'll drill em, I've got access to a drill press. You should pick up a good set of safety wire pliers and some wire, it's not that much $$$.
Being shot out of a cannon will always be better than being squeezed out of a tube. That is why God made fast motorcycles, Bubba.... - Hunter S. Thompson
I wouldn't use loctite on an oil drain plug, that shit turns to hard plastic and will plug up a pickup screen. Drilling the bolts is easy, if you don't have the time send them to me and I'll drill em, I've got access to a drill press. You should pick up a good set of safety wire pliers and some wire, it's not that much $$$.
No locktight on the oil drain plug. Just everything else that I take off of importance...axles, sprockets, etc. Ya know.. stuff I don't want falling off at 160. So far I've found only WERA really requires anything more than wiring on the oil plug and filter. Those two things will be done for next year on my bike. If I had track bike I wouldn't mind doing the axle, brake lines, etc, but since my bike is nice and new I really don't want to go drilling more than necessary so I just always use the correct torque specs and blue locktight.
Do sober what you said what you'd do drunk. That will teach you to keep your mouth shut. - Ernest Hemingway
So far I've found only WERA really requires anything more than wiring on the oil plug and filter. Those two things will be done for next year on my bike.
Do one other thing in addition to those two...the oil filler cap. Ed Bargy makes a predrilled kit that includes a drilled plug, filler cap, and a clamp for the filter. Also included is the stuff needed to disable the kickstand. Call and see if he makes a kit for your bike, that way you don't need to drill your stuff. The stuff Ed drills is OEM, not cheap Lockhart Phillips crap.
“I want to stand as close to the edge as I can without going over. Out on the edge you see all the kinds of things you can't see from the center.”
~Kurt Vonnegut, Jr.
You are so right. I've been at days where we've lost track time because some idiot didn't tighten an oil plug. Luckily, I haven't fallen due to someone's negligence, but plenty of others have. Yet, not one org wants to make safety wire mandatory for all groups, the excuse being it would deter new riders. I say if you want to ride a motorcycle, you need to learn to do a few basics. I used to think safety wire was "difficult" until I had to do it for a special one-day Schwantz school as part of the AMA women's conference. It ended up being easy. I got a predrilled kit. Then I found out my dealer can also drill bolts. They did, actually, at my 600 mile service because they knew I did trackdays. They called me and asked if it was ok to drill and wire my oil plug. Anyone can get it accomplished easily.
wow that's a pretty good dealership. I think if they don't require wiring they should have a couple of wrenches with them at tech. I think the main culprits of not tightening their bolts are street/track bikes so if they have street body work its easy to just throw the wrench on the bolt to check. they could also require bikes with track plastics to take the lowers off before tech. Track plastics come off in like 5 seconds so it shouldn't be an issue.
Originally Posted by 08silvercbr
No locktight on the oil drain plug. Just everything else that I take off of importance...axles, sprockets, etc. Ya know.. stuff I don't want falling off at 160. So far I've found only WERA really requires anything more than wiring on the oil plug and filter. Those two things will be done for next year on my bike. If I had track bike I wouldn't mind doing the axle, brake lines, etc, but since my bike is nice and new I really don't want to go drilling more than necessary so I just always use the correct torque specs and blue locktight.
but having safety wire all over your bike makes it look more racey.
"If everything seems under control, you're just not going fast enough" - Mario Andretti
but having safety wire all over your bike makes it look more racey.
See, I think the wire looks gaudy, but necessary is necessary. My 98' was a WERA bike, and had everything wired.
Did you buy stands? You're going to need them after you remove your kickstand.
Yep... already had the pitbull rear, and I'm assuming I'm getting the front for Christmas or B-day. I do need to check on the kickstand thing. I haven't had it off yet, but will by spring. On my 98' the switch was just zip tied and drug up under the seat. I have no idea what the 08' entails. I guess I just figured zip ties would do the trick?
When do most people show up? Sunday night? How many camp vs. motel?
Do sober what you said what you'd do drunk. That will teach you to keep your mouth shut. - Ernest Hemingway
Also for my buddy.. is stand removal going to happen in "N" this year?
if its like last year then yes, everyone removes it. its not hard to bypass the switch. zip ties or some electrical tape are a quick and easily reversable way of doing it.
"If everything seems under control, you're just not going fast enough" - Mario Andretti
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Amateurs practices until they get it right. A professional practices until they can't get it wrong.
So is STT a good thing or bad? I'm understanding correctly they might be paying off track owners and chasing out the little guys?
This is just my opinion, and this has been debated before.
But I prefer the smaller orgs compared to the larger ones. The smaller ones seem to feel more like a friend type get together. Plus the rules suck with the larger orgs. especially the no passing of Control riders in all groups. I can see it in the street/novice group, but in the faster groups it should be open IMO. I must say that I have never ridden with either NESBA or STT, buthave watched them on track and was not impressed. Crash fest. Plus, most of them seem to be snobs.
Amateurs practices until they get it right. A professional practices until they can't get it wrong.
So is STT a good thing or bad? I'm understanding correctly they might be paying off track owners and chasing out the little guys?
Neither, they are different. While you cannot top .org days (thanks again for your efforts Abtech) it is a rare once a year beast. Like Hammer I prefer smaller organizers in most cases but the reality is that to book Barber you need a bunch of cash and to get in the queue (not easy) this applies to a bunch of other venues. Then add in risk of $$ regardless of the investment it is still $$$.
Now I have ridden with Fireblades, McAdx, Ohlins, STT, NESBA, Pete, Rogue (by STT), Curvechasers and a few others so I have seen a bunch. Also I have heard about STT and NESBA from others and they vary by region from what I have heard. That said while I dislike anyone locking in a track no one is evil here nor perfect. But then that is just my and many question my sanity so you need to realize the value of those pennies
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Originally Posted by Hammer
Yeah I'm sure. I'm very through... I do this stuff all day long. However you are gonna need that shock in 10b 
So far I've found only WERA really requires anything more than wiring on the oil plug and filter. Those two things will be done for next year on my bike. If I had track bike I wouldn't mind doing the axle, brake lines, etc, but since my bike is nice and new I really don't want to go drilling more than necessary so I just always use the correct torque specs and blue locktight. 
and many question my sanity so you need to realize the value of those pennies 
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