Thread: New 2007 Tundra

Originally Posted by Hamburglar

A local dealership got in some of the new tundras so I went to check them out on Sunday. All they had in stock were the doublecabs which is what I am interested in. The sticker on the V6 models were around $30k and I could not find a single V8 for under $40,000. I knew Toyota was proud of their trucks but that is ridiculous.

The MSRPs across the range are less than a comparable Silverado or Sierra. That dealer might be gouging or adding a bunch of options that people don't neccesarily want.

2009 Toyota Land Cruiser Spy Shots - The Car Connection

There's some hidden good news here:

Anyone else think this (a version of) motor would be great in a half-ton?

And I'd bet it goes on sale in most of the world, but not the US.

Originally Posted by luvtolean

And I'd bet it goes on sale in most of the world, but not the US.

That could be the case, but I think at this point there aren't enough Americans that would be willing to pay the extra ~5 grand for the diesel and lose 180 horsepower.

That is a really good question, and until someone tries, we won't know.

On the Land Rover forums apparently everyone begs LR reps for diesels in the LR3s, like most are equipped in the rest of the world, but they don't see fit to bring them here either.

I don't know about Canada, but in the US, unlike Europe, diesel inexplicably costs more than premium oftentimes, so they kill part of the motivation right there.

Originally Posted by luvtolean

That is a really good question, and until someone tries, we won't know.

On the Land Rover forums apparently everyone begs LR reps for diesels in the LR3s, like most are equipped in the rest of the world, but they don't see fit to bring them here either.

Sometimes when the manufacturers call the enthusiasts bluffs, nobody steps up. Look at all the people that were "begging" for GM to bring over a Holden V8 RWD car and the GTO was a flop.

Originally Posted by luvtolean

I don't know about Canada, but in the US, unlike Europe, diesel inexplicably costs more than premium oftentimes, so they kill part of the motivation right there.

It isn't inexplicable... it's just the tax structure. Diesel used to be about 20 cents per litre cheaper here but it's crept up to premium cost levels over the last few years.

Here in the US, I don't believe it was tax induced.

That's garbage.

Just increase the licensing fee of the vehicle.

In the U.S., the federal tax on highway diesel is currently six cents more than the federal tax on gasoline.
Each state also steals their own tax per gallon, with most states being pretty close to or equal between gasoline and diesel.
A couple states have smaller diesel taxes, some greater by a small amount.
Then there is Florida, where diesel is taxed nearly 13 cents more per gallon than gasoline.

So appreantly I was wrong, it is at least partially tax induced.

Originally Posted by Purpdust

Phobe, are not diesel engines cheaper to manufacture as well yet you pay a premium for them?

Definitely not. They're much more complex. The injection pumps alone cost a mint.

edit: Furthermore, the emissions equipment to meet the new standards adds even more cost. (particulate traps, urea injection, etc)

Isn't diesel a byproduct of gasoline, making its sales nothing but icing?

Originally Posted by ND4SPD

Isn't diesel a byproduct of gasoline, making its sales nothing but icing?

Even if the diesel itself is much cheaper, I doubt the variable costs factor in nearly as much as the fixed costs of distribution and delivery etc.

edit: I doubt diesel is more profitable for oil companies... I think if that were the case it would be much more commonplace. This is TB's area of expertise though...

Originally Posted by phobiaphobe

Even if the diesel itself is much cheaper, I doubt the variable costs factor in nearly as much as the fixed costs of distribution and delivery etc.

edit: I doubt diesel is more profitable for oil companies... I think if that were the case it would be much more commonplace. This is TB's area of expertise though...

I don't know much about the production side. I'd have to look it up. I could find out the relative margins on the retail side, but I don't know about the production and what Exxon, et al. makes on each.

Originally Posted by ND4SPD

Isn't diesel a byproduct of gasoline, making its sales nothing but icing?

Not exactly a byproduct of gasoline, but a part of oil that comes out lower on a distillation tower.

Image:Crude Oil Distillation.png - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

And there's less of it per barrel of oil than the gasoline products. When only big-rigs were using it, it was cheap and the demand somewhat low. Then the car companies tried to cash in on this "cheapness", and suceeded in driving up the price when the demand went up with all the additional consumer-diesels on the road!

It ain't cheap anymore - at least not cheap enough to offset the operating costs for the average consumer.

but the performance of a diesel truck is why i still have one.

Originally Posted by quick26

but the performance of a diesel truck is why i still have one.

+1

Mine has almost 100k on it. Just gettin' broke in...and the thing will pull a mobile home...without the wheels.

THey're slow but the torque is awesome. With Purpdusts 20' race trailer behind a LBZ Duramax / Allison it didn't even need a downshift from 6th to make it up steep hills in the cascades at 75mph.

Originally Posted by phobiaphobe

THey're slow

I don't think they're slow so much as they're different. You just have to drive further ahead in a diesel to give the turbo time to spool up.

So you're saying they're different only in the sense that they take longer to accelerate. But they're not slow.

Yes, that is what I'm saying.

You plan your moves out further in advance, but they accelerate fast once you have boost.

For example, my diesel can make passes faster than my 5.3l could on a two lane highway, but I have to get on the throttle a bit earlier.

that one i have is no slouch, i belive that it will outrun my old 5.0.