Jetbdude

I don't know what to do..... I never liked my Mazda B4000 and I want something with an automatic transmission so that V can take the car once a while.

I made the mistake and tried the Tundra the other day. Nice truck for sure but if I think for 2 seconds it's way too much for my need. I think the small Tacoma with the 2.7 would do the work pulling my trailer and the bike.

What do you guys think? I'm guesstimating the weight of the trailer, bike and crap to be around 2000 to 2500 pound or so. Will the 2.7 struggle with that? It's rated for 3500 pounds.

I looked at the Frontier with the 6 cylinder, almost the same price as the Toyota but I like the fuel efficiency of the small Tacoma whenever I,m not pulling anything (90% of the time).

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ND4SPD

Teach V how to drive stick

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Jetbdude

Been there, done that. I think the extra money I'll put in a new truck is well worth it

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+1... I have taught 2 ex-girlfriends how to drive manual. It's not something I ever plan on doing ever again ever. I'd rather light my own hair on fire.

Honestly E, the 2.7 is a gutsy little motor but it barely gets better economy than the 4.0, and probably worse with a trailer behind it. THe V6 will have a higher resale and lower total cost of ownership. They stopped offering the V6 as a 2WD unless you go for the X-Runner, which only comes as a 6-speed.

Get yourself an access cab v6 4x4 with the SR5 power package. Go for a 48 month lease... they payments are reasonable and with the high resale you'll have equity after about 30 months. When the lease is up you can trade it in and use that equity as downpayment on that Tundra.

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Jetbdude

Wow, you got it all figured out... I'll look into the v6.... but the Frontier is cheaper and offers quite a bit of extra feature that I like.... The Tundra with the 4.7 and 2WD is pretty affordable, but putting that much fuel to pull that kinda load just seams like a waist to me.

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if you plan on doing any pulling at all i would not look at a 4 banger, nothing worse than pulling out in traffic and not being able to get on down the road

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HondaGalToo

I concur, I'd get the Tacoma in a 6.

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Jetbdude

Don't forget that I'm in beautiful Quebec, where the fuel is already over 4$ a gallon and should keep on going up for the next few months....

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the 6 should not be much different as long as you keep your foot out of it, and it will be better than the 4 banger with the load

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Oh, and FWIW, with everything else being equal, you can tow more with an automatic than you can with a stick...

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Jetbdude

I know, my POS Mazda is rated for 3500 pound even though it has the 4.0 6 cylinder.

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Toyota or Nissan...can't really go wrong with either one. I love my Nissan.

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phobe

+1. I get a consistent 18mpg with my V6 no matter how I drive it. I don't think CBR929RE is getting as good of mileage with his 2.7 automatic.

I'm 100% certain that the 6 will get better mileage than the 4 once a trailer is hooked up.

It's true that the Frontier can be had for less money... But over the long term the Toyota will cost you less.

Here is a little comparison I did for a friend (who ended up buying the Tacoma)

Here in Alberta, 4 year-old Frontiers sell for 4-5 grand less than 4- year-old Tacomas.

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phobe

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Jetbdude

Phobe, I'm looking to rent, not buy. So the long term is not so important for me, I'm going to give the keys back in 4 years. My fear is that the value of ANY truck will go way down 4 years from now because of gas price.

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SomeStrangeGuy

Then definetely buy the Toyota.

I test drove both (fronty and taco) back when buying my Ridgeline. The Tacoma pissed me off with some of the stuff they did or didn't do to the new models, but in hindsight if all I was doing was driving them - on the road - and occasionally towing - I would have gotten the Tacoma if it were not for price.
If you're stuck on leasing - I think the Tacoma V6 4x4 would be the best of all worlds, because it's better resale helps you in the long term.

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phobe

All the more reason to buy the Toyota.

Resale on Tacomas is freakishly high, and Toyota sets the lease residual values conservatively low. This means that you hit an equity break-even point unnaturally soon in the lease, and by the time the lease matures you should have a few thousand in equity. The truck is worth more than your buyout. Nobody ever gives a Toyota truck back at the end of a lease because you'd basically be giving that equity to Toyota. Instead you trade the truck in or sell it and keep that equity.

If you lease the Nissan you will have no choice but to give it back because the truck will be worth less than your buyout.

Makes sense?

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Jetbdude

Yes it does, what does not is that I can have a Tundra double cab 2WD, 4.7 with the group B for less money than the Tacoma. It just don't make sense "TO ME" to pay more for what I think is less of a truck. Only major difference is the Tundra being 2WD witch for me is not a big deal.

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CBR929RE

while I love my little taco, power is not its thing.


its all loosened up now, sitting outside right now with exactly 1400 miles on the clock. doing much better. the last tank I got 27mpg but I'm not sure how accurate that is since that tank was started before all the computer issues and I was kind of skeptical about what the trip odometer said when I got it back. hell I was surprised the trip odometer didn't reset after all that. a lot of my driving is backroads 6 miles at a time to work and back. so I think I'll be pretty happy with how much gas will cost to/from Grattan.


one piece of advice. if you're anywhere over 5feet tall get the access cab unless you like sitting on top of the steering wheel. to me the back of the seat in the regular cab feels like its almost leaning forward and no recline on them. totally uncomfortable. access cab

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Jetbdude

I was looking at the access cab with the SR5 package, not sure anymore after all the feedback

What kind of set-up are you pulling? One bike with enclosed trailer?

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there are 2 SR5 packages, to me neither one was worth it because the only thing included in them that I wanted is intermittent wipers. Convenience Package 1 had all the power options and cruise so to me thats the one to get. but all of the access cabs I saw had that anyway so it wasn't like there was much choice.

only towing I do is at work with an International 8600 and that even has trouble up some hills with 1150 or more lb/ft of torque. I think the little toyota will pull your bike and trailer just fine. if your old Mazda could do it the Taco should too.

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abtech

They still make stuff without intermittent wipers? hmmmm . . .

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