The article in RRW about this injury shocked me

CBRVFR · 01-11-2007, 05:49 PM

I just got my Roadracingworld magazine in the mail, and I just about choked on my dinner when I read the article about this racer who, as of press time, had not regained consciousness after a supermoto race accident.

The reason I was so shocked is that in the magazine article, they noted that the rider in the STTARS sanctioned race was reportedly wearing a $79.00 helmet. WTF??

That detail doesn't appear in the web article, but I wanted to know who STTARS was - turns out it's that Don Canet- Cycle World associated organization.

Their helmet rules are listed below. I like abtech's better..

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Required Riding Gear

Roadrace or dirt-track leathers are highly recommended.

Motocross gear will be allowed, but must include knee cups, hip pads, elbow pads and a chest/back protector or heavy enduro jacket.

Boots must offer full ankle protection.

Roadrace, street or suitably protective gloves.

Undamaged full-face road or motocross helmet with face shield or goggles.

SuperTT Series

Road Racer Quintero Remains Unresponsive Two Weeks After STTARS SuperMoto Crash News Article // RoadracingWorld.com

I hope the guy has recovered, and all you SM people wear the good stuff, OK?

luvtolean · 01-11-2007, 05:55 PM

We've seen lots of people argue on the board in favor of el cheapo helmets.

Sad stuff...

ND4SPD · 01-11-2007, 06:58 PM

CBRVFR...Not to stir the pot or anything, but wasn't your helmet's cost in the sub $200 range?

CBRVFR · 01-11-2007, 07:12 PM

Yeah, it's a 200 dollar helmet that I got for 150. But it's Snell 2005 rated, just like the 650 dollar Shoeis and Arais..

The rules of that series don't specify any requirements of that nature - and honestly, I'm not sure if motocross helmets are even designed to protect against a crash on pavement --

bda116 · 01-11-2007, 07:18 PM

I only paid $70 for mine.
And that $70 will be written off as well.

Heavy-Dee · 01-11-2007, 07:47 PM

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Originally Posted by CBRVFR

Yeah, it's a 200 dollar helmet that I got for 150. But it's Snell 2005 rated, just like the 650 dollar Shoeis and Arais..

The rules of that series don't specify any requirements of that nature - and honestly, I'm not sure if motocross helmets are even designed to protect against a crash on pavement --

That's exactly the point. The amount spent isn't the issue. The standards for what's acceptable are the issue. The org has set no level of what's "acceptable" other than undamaged and full face. Really leaves the door wide open.

Now, one could argue the point that the rider is dumber than the org. I might fall into that camp. Regardless, any racing org needs to protect itself.

HD

CBRVFR · 01-11-2007, 07:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Heavy-Dee

That's exactly the point. The amount spent isn't the issue. The standards for what's acceptable are the issue. The org has set no level of what's "acceptable" other than undamaged and full face. Really leaves the door wide open.

Now, one could argue the point that the rider is dumber than the org. I might fall into that camp. Regardless, any racing org needs to protect itself.

HD

And by the org, in this case, you mean STTARS rather than the .org, right?

Heavy-Dee · 01-12-2007, 09:40 AM

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Originally Posted by CBRVFR

And by the org, in this case, you mean STTARS rather than the .org, right?

I mean any racing org.

I just read the article myself. Dude has two little kids, a wife, and NO INSURANCE! That's just plain dumb.

Listen guys. Racing/track days/street riding are cool and doing them at all is arguably not responsible, but please, please, please minimize the stupidity of it all.

If you don't have insurance, don't go out there. Period.

Heavy-Dee · 01-12-2007, 09:40 AM

Oh and not that it changes anything, but it was an $89 helmet.

abtech · 01-12-2007, 12:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Heavy-Dee

Oh and not that it changes anything, but it was an $89 helmet.

I'm certain the thrill of the "bargain price" is lost on his family . . .

clutchslip · 01-13-2007, 01:29 AM

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Originally Posted by CBRVFR

Yeah, it's a 200 dollar helmet that I got for 150. But it's Snell 2005 rated, just like the 650 dollar Shoeis and Arais..

The rules of that series don't specify any requirements of that nature - and honestly, I'm not sure if motocross helmets are even designed to protect against a crash on pavement --

Have you seen if your helmet is on the DOT failed test list?
After the big, controversial article(s) in Motorcyclist about helmets and testing, I started to pay a lot more attention to the helmet industry.
I have a HJC helmet that was Snell and DOT approved. It showed-up on the DOT failed list, which is a totally random, bought off the shelf test. These are a minute sampling which indicates to me that ANY failure is bound to be wide spread in the failed helmet production. It has sat in my garage ever since.

Don't assume that just because you have a sticker on your helmet that your head is safe.

CBRVFR · 01-13-2007, 11:13 AM

I'd be interested in a link to the DOT failed test page, 'slip.

However, since I'm betting my life, I challenge the USDOT to pass my test - in all instances of auto and motorcycle safety testing that I'm aware of, they fail to distinguish the difference between

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For instance, in the 4th and 5th paragraphs of the executive summary of this article Motorcycle Helmets

the testing standards of DOT and Snell are compared.

I'm going with Snell or the British standard as a minimum, along with my own experience and judgment. I have taken an HJC helmet apart and it is a pretty far cry from what I'm wearing, even though it had a Snell approval.

But the DOT method of testing doesn't even show up on my radar screen.

KF810 · 01-13-2007, 10:47 PM

Oooh!!! I love Twix!! Can I have one, CBRVFR???

That helmet rule is pretty weak. Hope he G.W.S.

CBRVFR · 01-13-2007, 11:13 PM

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Originally Posted by KF810

Oooh!!! I love Twix!! Can I have one, CBRVFR???

You can have 'em all, bud!

HRCNICK11 · 01-14-2007, 12:30 PM

A link to the DOT failed test list would be nice but I wear ARAI because they fit my head and are lightweight.

Both of my MX helmets are DOT aproved. One is a HJC and one is a AGV both are the higher end that they offer.

gt702 · 01-18-2007, 11:53 AM

Compliance Testing & Reporting: FMVSS 218 Motorcycle Helmets

Is this what you are looking for?

Google is your friend

gt702 · 01-18-2007, 11:56 AM

Uh, Oh, maybe you didn't want to see that site ... Scorpion EXO-700 is on it

abtech · 01-18-2007, 12:51 PM

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Originally Posted by gt702

Uh, Oh, maybe you didn't want to see that site ... Scorpion EXO-700 is on it

And has passed 2 subsequent DOT tests. The test that it failed on the first round was the G transfer when the helmet was held at a cold temperature. Since the original test and the hoopla surrounding it, they have changed the shell formulation and it easily passed.

The latest published report is from early 2005 (almost 2 years ago).

CBRVFR · 01-18-2007, 01:00 PM

Here's the 41 page test

CBRVFR · 01-18-2007, 01:05 PM

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Originally Posted by abtech

And has passed 2 subsequent DOT tests. The test that it failed on the first round was the G transfer when the helmet was held at a cold temperature. Since the original test and the hoopla surrounding it, they have changed the shell formulation and it easily passed.

The latest published report is from early 2005 (almost 2 years ago).

Do you have a link on this?

gt702 · 01-18-2007, 01:15 PM

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Originally Posted by abtech

And has passed 2 subsequent DOT tests. The test that it failed on the first round was the G transfer when the helmet was held at a cold temperature. Since the original test and the hoopla surrounding it, they have changed the shell formulation and it easily passed.

The latest published report is from early 2005 (almost 2 years ago).

I didn't open the link ... slipping the quick look in while at work ... It would be great to have that confirmed, as it is a very nice (a little heavier than some, but) helmet at a good price. Thanks.

abtech · 01-18-2007, 01:25 PM

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Originally Posted by CBRVFR

Do you have a link on this?

Nope. I learned this while on the phone with a friend that contracts with Snell. Evidently they (Snell) took a lot of heat about this and 2 other Snell certified helmets that failed that particular round of DOT tests. It will show up when they post the 2006 DOT results.

gt702 · 01-18-2007, 01:53 PM

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Originally Posted by CBRVFR

Do you have a link on this?

You could also contact the guy you bought it from at STG, they had the rep there when you bought it. He should be able to answer the question directly, and even tell you what they did, and how they are controlling quality.

CBR929RE · 01-18-2007, 02:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Heavy-Dee

I mean any racing org.

I just read the article myself. Dude has two little kids, a wife, and NO INSURANCE! That's just plain dumb.

Listen guys. Racing/track days/street riding are cool and doing them at all is arguably not responsible, but please, please, please minimize the stupidity of it all.

If you don't have insurance, don't go out there. Period.

that was the first thing that I made sure I got before even thinking of signing up for the

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CBRVFR Godspeed, #20 Join Date: 12-13-2006 Age: 55 Bike(s): VFR750 SV650 TZ250 Posts: 5,016	Re: The article in RRW about this injury shocked me Yeah, it's a 200 dollar helmet that I got for 150. But it's Snell 2005 rated, just like the 650 dollar Shoeis and Arais.. The rules of that series don't specify any requirements of that nature - and honestly, I'm not sure if motocross helmets are even designed to protect against a crash on pavement -- __________________ "...the TV also never took away the screwdriver and shoved it up the repairman's ass." Our own Mr.2nd Amendment, explaining the difference. Perfectly. Rich Herald, the Gentle Giant

01-11-2007, 07:18 PM	#5
bda116 Done. Join Date: 12-17-2006 Bike(s): . Posts: 2,113	Re: The article in RRW about this injury shocked me I only paid $70 for mine. And that $70 will be written off as well. __________________ "Islam isn't in America to be equal to any other faith, but to become dominant. The Koran should be the highest authority in America, and Islam the only accepted religion on Earth." - Omar M. Ahmad, founding chairman of CAIR.

01-12-2007, 09:40 AM	#9
Heavy-Dee The Murph Join Date: 12-17-2006 Age: 31 Bike(s): 2004 GSXR 600 Posts: 2,690	Re: The article in RRW about this injury shocked me Oh and not that it changes anything, but it was an $89 helmet. __________________ Epic Fail

01-13-2007, 11:13 AM	#12
CBRVFR Godspeed, #20 Join Date: 12-13-2006 Age: 55 Bike(s): VFR750 SV650 TZ250 Posts: 5,016	Re: The article in RRW about this injury shocked me I'd be interested in a link to the DOT failed test page, 'slip. However, since I'm betting my life, I challenge the USDOT to pass my test - in all instances of auto and motorcycle safety testing that I'm aware of, they fail to distinguish the difference between and For instance, in the 4th and 5th paragraphs of the executive summary of this article Motorcycle Helmets the testing standards of DOT and Snell are compared. I'm going with Snell or the British standard as a minimum, along with my own experience and judgment. I have taken an HJC helmet apart and it is a pretty far cry from what I'm wearing, even though it had a Snell approval. But the DOT method of testing doesn't even show up on my radar screen. __________________ "...the TV also never took away the screwdriver and shoved it up the repairman's ass." Our own Mr.2nd Amendment, explaining the difference. Perfectly. Rich Herald, the Gentle Giant

01-13-2007, 10:47 PM	#13
KF810 D.I.L.L.I.G.A.F. Join Date: 01-08-2007 Location: Michigan Age: 30 Bike(s): 600rr track, 954 Posts: 528	Re: The article in RRW about this injury shocked me Oooh!!! I love Twix!! Can I have one, CBRVFR??? That helmet rule is pretty weak. Hope he G.W.S.

01-14-2007, 12:30 PM	#15
HRCNICK11 DIRTDOG Join Date: 01-01-2007 Age: 34 Bike(s): SV650,LTZ400,SMR450,F4, Posts: 253	Re: The article in RRW about this injury shocked me A link to the DOT failed test list would be nice but I wear ARAI because they fit my head and are lightweight. Both of my MX helmets are DOT aproved. One is a HJC and one is a AGV both are the higher end that they offer.

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gt702 Gear Driven Cams Join Date: 12-18-2006 Bike(s): Some Hondas and a Kwacker Posts: 1,159	Re: The article in RRW about this injury shocked me Compliance Testing & Reporting: FMVSS 218 Motorcycle Helmets Is this what you are looking for? Google is your friend __________________ Reality is merely an illusion, albeit a very persistent one. Albert Einstein

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gt702 Gear Driven Cams Join Date: 12-18-2006 Bike(s): Some Hondas and a Kwacker Posts: 1,159	Re: The article in RRW about this injury shocked me Uh, Oh, maybe you didn't want to see that site ... Scorpion EXO-700 is on it __________________ Reality is merely an illusion, albeit a very persistent one. Albert Einstein

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CBRVFR Godspeed, #20 Join Date: 12-13-2006 Age: 55 Bike(s): VFR750 SV650 TZ250 Posts: 5,016	Re: The article in RRW about this injury shocked me Here's the 41 page test __________________ "...the TV also never took away the screwdriver and shoved it up the repairman's ass." Our own Mr.2nd Amendment, explaining the difference. Perfectly. Rich Herald, the Gentle Giant