Talk about droolin....

MrX · 01-03-2007, 09:33 PM

I went to the local Honda dealer for the first time in a looooooooong time, they had a CRF450x street legal motard on the show room floor!

I think I have found the next toy I will add to the list. Seems like a good solid choice for 80% track 20% street duty.

Anybody have any logical reason to disagree?

luvtolean · 01-03-2007, 09:36 PM

They're a very specific machine, and I know several that have bought them.

Many sell them not long after as they find them boring (especially on the street) but others, some here on the forum love them.

As an only bike, most wouldn't like one, but as a second or third, maybe all right.

Leelover · 01-03-2007, 09:39 PM

Are they boring because of their relatively poor higher speed performance?
The concept seems cool, especially in a very urban area.

MrX · 01-03-2007, 10:06 PM

I wouldnt buy it as a primary bike, I could see how they'd be boring.

My 954 keeps me on my toes, someday the RS will ride again so it'd be a 2nd bike mainly for occasional trackdays some street use for those local spirited rides. I've been itching for a motard for so long I dont think I'd sell it too quickly.

evl_twn · 01-03-2007, 10:46 PM

You could always buy an XR650R, too. Might be a little more user friendly on the street. Also, there are always used ones to be found that have already been converted to street use with the Baja Designs kit. I bought my 2000 XR650R used in 2005 for only 3200, and with all of the motard conversion stuff (mostly just the wheels and brakes and flat black paint) I still had less than $5k in it when it was done.

http://www.rc30.us/xr.html

http://www.rc30.us/images/gap06/043006-11.jpg

colryn · 01-04-2007, 07:05 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by evl_twn

You could always buy an XR650R, too. Might be a little more user friendly on the street. Also, there are always used ones to be found that have already been converted to street use with the Baja Designs kit. I bought my 2000 XR650R used in 2005 for only 3200, and with all of the motard conversion stuff (mostly just the wheels and brakes and flat black paint) I still had less than $5k in it when it was done.

http://www.rc30.us/xr.html

http://www.rc30.us/images/gap06/043006-11.jpg

Your XR is mighty handsome.

Damn, I would love to test ride that thing. The all black scheme is beautiful....

NorthernRR · 01-04-2007, 08:34 AM

I love that bike, but, as an everyday rider you may be disapointed.

Plus you WILL want to looking to maintenence costs. Apparently they are a LOT with that bike.

Other than that, I cannot think of anything to disagree with.

Mojave954 · 01-04-2007, 08:53 AM

I wanna get one for general hooliganisms and commuting. Will have to say that my 450 in its current trim is only getting 20 MPG.

quick26 · 01-04-2007, 08:55 AM

it would still be fun to play with

HRCNICK11 · 01-04-2007, 11:47 AM

The CRF's and other dirtbikes made today don't hold much oil so it should be changed a lot if used for a street bike.

I had a DRZ400SM and as a street bike I loved it for short rides but as a track bike the grin factor is huge. As some one else stated they are not everyday bikes but they are very fun bikes.

Wait till spring and you will get a review from Dave after he checks mine out.

quick26 · 01-04-2007, 11:56 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by HRCNICK11

The CRF's and other dirtbikes made today don't hold much oil so it should be changed a lot if used for a street bike.

I had a DRZ400SM and as a street bike I loved it for short rides but as a track bike the grin factor is huge. As some one else stated they are not everyday bikes but they are very fun bikes.

Wait till spring and you will get a review from Dave after he checks mine out.

i have the trx450, i think it hold just over 1/2 a qt

HRCNICK11 · 01-04-2007, 12:24 PM

I've seen CRF's come off Grattan with 1/4 of a qt in the overflow bottle and I'm pretty sure they don't hold any more than the TRX450.

DEPO · 01-04-2007, 01:39 PM

Get yourself a Buell Ulysses..... It is a Motard essentially, but on a more street usable scale. Plus it has the sport adventure nature of a BMW GS

MrX · 01-04-2007, 06:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by evl_twn

You could always buy an XR650R, too. Might be a little more user friendly on the street. Also, there are always used ones to be found that have already been converted to street use with the Baja Designs kit. I bought my 2000 XR650R used in 2005 for only 3200, and with all of the motard conversion stuff (mostly just the wheels and brakes and flat black paint) I still had less than $5k in it when it was done.

http://www.rc30.us/xr.html

http://www.rc30.us/images/gap06/043006-11.jpg

Your XR always comes to mind when this topic comes up, I still have the info you gave me on it. I dont remember the weight or height difference but thats prob the biggest factors.

Nothing is set in stone yet, I may be just getting my hopes up again.

MrX · 01-04-2007, 06:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by NorthernRR

I love that bike, but, as an everyday rider you may be disapointed.

Plus you WILL want to looking to maintenence costs. Apparently they are a LOT with that bike.

Other than that, I cannot think of anything to disagree with.

Not an everyday rider, I've been bordering fair weather rider, plus it'd be a 2nd/3rd bike to me.

Quote:

Originally Posted by DEPO

Get yourself a Buell Ulysses..... It is a Motard essentially, but on a more street usable scale. Plus it has the sport adventure nature of a BMW GS

Sorry I'm theeeee most brand loyal Honda rider in history. (My Aprilia is the only exception and thats due to lack of comparable option by Honda)

evl_twn · 01-04-2007, 08:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by HRCNICK11

I've seen CRF's come off Grattan with 1/4 of a qt in the overflow bottle and I'm pretty sure they don't hold any more than the TRX450.

My XR650R holds 2.5qt total capacity. The first year I built it (05) I took it down to Deal's Gap for a week. I didn't check oil on it until Thursday, and after I added a quart, it was still not reading on the dipstick

Ever since then I've checked oil every day I've ridden it, and changed it at least every 1k miles. I think when it blew up at Grattan last year it wasn't because of flogging it mercilessly, it was probably already on it's way out. That's why I really wasn't too bent about having to rebuild it, I saw this coming. After I put it back together though, it had better last this time! I didn't change my gearing for Grattan, either. A mistake I won't make again. I was already topped out and on the rev limiter at the entrance to the front straight, and it's a LONG way to turn one pinging the limiter. I can't wait until this year, I got a few 1:38's with it geared the way it was, I should be able to drop a few seconds just on the front straight alone.

MrX · 01-18-2007, 09:32 PM

I'm really thinking that thanks to bwhip my next bike has changed.

Be a tough decision when the time comes
XR650 as evltwin suggests
-vs-
SUPER SWEET CRF450 as I've wanted since they came out
-vs-
Fine Italian piece of machinery SXV

evl_twn · 01-18-2007, 11:28 PM

The one nice thing about the XR650R is the availability of parts. The model has been unchanged since 2000, and there's a lot of aftermarket stuff out there as well. I really like the Aprilia, too (saw one last year at Road America) but I'm not sure I could spend that much on one. You should be able to build a stout XR 'tard for around $5k, or maybe even find one for sale that's already been done.

MrX · 01-20-2007, 11:47 AM

That Aprilia is so nice, and a HUGE thing that it has that seems worth the extra money is FI. I'm not very good with jetting and stuff with carbs.

Its going to be a real tough choice, I'm really fading out the CRF right now, the Aprilia seems to have that beat hands down.

As for XR vs SXV, cost difference doesnt seem so bad to me. I'm always sketchy for brand new models so the XRs proven reliablity is a plus.

MrX · 01-21-2007, 04:38 PM

Whats the weight on the XR approx?

and...

if I remember correctly the XR650R is liquid cooled with NO electric start and the XR650L is air cooled with electric start, is that correct?

evl_twn · 01-21-2007, 05:09 PM

XR650R dry weight 277 lb, kick only, water cooled, more HP

XR650L dry weight 324 lb, electric start, air cooled

01-03-2007, 09:33 PM	#1
MrX First person view Join Date: 12-20-2006 Age: 27 Bike(s): I ride bikes Posts: 311	Talk about droolin.... I went to the local Honda dealer for the first time in a looooooooong time, they had a CRF450x street legal motard on the show room floor! I think I have found the next toy I will add to the list. Seems like a good solid choice for 80% track 20% street duty. Anybody have any logical reason to disagree? __________________ Summer should never ever ever end.

01-03-2007, 09:36 PM	#2
luvtolean Join Date: 12-13-2006 Location: SF Bay Area, CA Bike(s): 2008 BMW GS-A Posts: 6,321	Re: Talk about droolin.... They're a very specific machine, and I know several that have bought them. Many sell them not long after as they find them boring (especially on the street) but others, some here on the forum love them. As an only bike, most wouldn't like one, but as a second or third, maybe all right. __________________ Someone needs to present the facts and the physics rather than just the rhetoric. Poor old Carmelo doesn't understand the physics of a motorcycle. - Jerry Burgess, on spec tires and changing engine rules

01-03-2007, 09:39 PM	#3
Leelover Remembering RAH-VFR...RIP #20 Join Date: 12-18-2006 Location: Fort Myers, FL Bike(s): 06 FJR1300 & 01 GSXR 750 Posts: 1,473	Re: Talk about droolin.... Are they boring because of their relatively poor higher speed performance? The concept seems cool, especially in a very urban area. __________________ "The Father wove the skein of your life a long time ago. Go and hide in a hole if you wish, but you won't live one instant longer. Your fate is fixed. Fear profits a man nothing." Herger the Joyous

01-03-2007, 10:06 PM	#4
MrX First person view Join Date: 12-20-2006 Age: 27 Bike(s): I ride bikes Posts: 311	Re: Talk about droolin.... I wouldnt buy it as a primary bike, I could see how they'd be boring. My 954 keeps me on my toes, someday the RS will ride again so it'd be a 2nd bike mainly for occasional trackdays some street use for those local spirited rides. I've been itching for a motard for so long I dont think I'd sell it too quickly. __________________ Summer should never ever ever end.

01-03-2007, 10:46 PM	#5
evl_twn CAN CRUSHER Join Date: 12-13-2006 Location: Central Illinois Age: 40 Bike(s): worm gear Posts: 1,646	Re: Talk about droolin.... You could always buy an XR650R, too. Might be a little more user friendly on the street. Also, there are always used ones to be found that have already been converted to street use with the Baja Designs kit. I bought my 2000 XR650R used in 2005 for only 3200, and with all of the motard conversion stuff (mostly just the wheels and brakes and flat black paint) I still had less than $5k in it when it was done. http://www.rc30.us/xr.html http://www.rc30.us/images/gap06/043006-11.jpg

01-04-2007, 08:34 AM	#7
NorthernRR Join Date: 12-18-2006 Age: 28 Bike(s): 1KRR, VFR, CRF450R, EX500 Posts: 1,394	Re: Talk about droolin.... I love that bike, but, as an everyday rider you may be disapointed. Plus you WILL want to looking to maintenence costs. Apparently they are a LOT with that bike. Other than that, I cannot think of anything to disagree with. __________________ See you at Indy

01-04-2007, 08:53 AM	#8
Mojave954 GONE PLAID! Join Date: 12-18-2006 Bike(s): 08 FJR, 08 R 1200 GS Posts: 902	Re: Talk about droolin.... I wanna get one for general hooliganisms and commuting. Will have to say that my 450 in its current trim is only getting 20 MPG.

01-04-2007, 08:55 AM	#9
quick26 Join Date: 12-18-2006 Location: Elizabeth City, NC Age: 25 Bike(s): 06 TRX 450r Posts: 1,613	Re: Talk about droolin.... it would still be fun to play with __________________ I am not post whoring, I am providing an abundance of useless opinion.

01-04-2007, 11:47 AM	#10
HRCNICK11 DIRTDOG Join Date: 01-01-2007 Age: 34 Bike(s): SV650,LTZ400,SMR450,F4, Posts: 253	Re: Talk about droolin.... The CRF's and other dirtbikes made today don't hold much oil so it should be changed a lot if used for a street bike. I had a DRZ400SM and as a street bike I loved it for short rides but as a track bike the grin factor is huge. As some one else stated they are not everyday bikes but they are very fun bikes. Wait till spring and you will get a review from Dave after he checks mine out.

01-04-2007, 12:24 PM	#12
HRCNICK11 DIRTDOG Join Date: 01-01-2007 Age: 34 Bike(s): SV650,LTZ400,SMR450,F4, Posts: 253	Re: Talk about droolin.... I've seen CRF's come off Grattan with 1/4 of a qt in the overflow bottle and I'm pretty sure they don't hold any more than the TRX450.

01-04-2007, 01:39 PM	#13
DEPO Godspeed, #20 Join Date: 12-18-2006 Age: 33 Bike(s): Track 954 and Uly Bagger Posts: 701	Re: Talk about droolin.... Get yourself a Buell Ulysses..... It is a Motard essentially, but on a more street usable scale. Plus it has the sport adventure nature of a BMW GS

01-18-2007, 09:32 PM	#17
MrX First person view Join Date: 12-20-2006 Age: 27 Bike(s): I ride bikes Posts: 311	Re: Talk about droolin.... I'm really thinking that thanks to bwhip my next bike has changed. Be a tough decision when the time comes XR650 as evltwin suggests -vs- SUPER SWEET CRF450 as I've wanted since they came out -vs- Fine Italian piece of machinery SXV __________________ Summer should never ever ever end.

01-18-2007, 11:28 PM	#18
evl_twn CAN CRUSHER Join Date: 12-13-2006 Location: Central Illinois Age: 40 Bike(s): worm gear Posts: 1,646	Re: Talk about droolin.... The one nice thing about the XR650R is the availability of parts. The model has been unchanged since 2000, and there's a lot of aftermarket stuff out there as well. I really like the Aprilia, too (saw one last year at Road America) but I'm not sure I could spend that much on one. You should be able to build a stout XR 'tard for around $5k, or maybe even find one for sale that's already been done.

01-20-2007, 11:47 AM	#19
MrX First person view Join Date: 12-20-2006 Age: 27 Bike(s): I ride bikes Posts: 311	Re: Talk about droolin.... That Aprilia is so nice, and a HUGE thing that it has that seems worth the extra money is FI. I'm not very good with jetting and stuff with carbs. Its going to be a real tough choice, I'm really fading out the CRF right now, the Aprilia seems to have that beat hands down. As for XR vs SXV, cost difference doesnt seem so bad to me. I'm always sketchy for brand new models so the XRs proven reliablity is a plus. __________________ Summer should never ever ever end.

01-21-2007, 04:38 PM	#20
MrX First person view Join Date: 12-20-2006 Age: 27 Bike(s): I ride bikes Posts: 311	Re: Talk about droolin.... Whats the weight on the XR approx? and... if I remember correctly the XR650R is liquid cooled with NO electric start and the XR650L is air cooled with electric start, is that correct? __________________ Summer should never ever ever end.

01-21-2007, 05:09 PM	#21
evl_twn CAN CRUSHER Join Date: 12-13-2006 Location: Central Illinois Age: 40 Bike(s): worm gear Posts: 1,646	Re: Talk about droolin.... XR650R dry weight 277 lb, kick only, water cooled, more HP XR650L dry weight 324 lb, electric start, air cooled

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