Sorry to hi-jack your thread, but how does one go about finding information on the 250 machines. I just want to do some research and find out more info on these bikes. I'm assuming these are track only race bikes and you can't simply walk into a Yami dealer and say, I'd like to finance a TZ250.
Sorry to hi-jack your thread, but how does one go about finding information on the 250 machines. I just want to do some research and find out more info on these bikes. I'm assuming these are track only race bikes and you can't simply walk into a Yami dealer and say, I'd like to finance a TZ250.
-JD-
Actually if you find the right Yamaha dealer, you can do just that (as long as your credit is good and the bank won't mind financing an uninsurable piece of gear). If you make a few calls to the Yamaha race department in SoCal, they may even have one or two older (pre 07) units in the crate available at a "slight" discount. It depends on how the sales have been over the past 3 or 4 years vs how many units were brought over.
Better yet, check out a few of the grey market guys that bring in Japanese race series bikes and you can get a good deal on a 1 season old racer that has usually been maintained pretty well. I don't think you'll get financing for these however . . .
Now in stereo Visionaries say "Yes, we can."
Engineers say "Not so fast."
and Seamus is awesome
Funny enough, my agent had no problems insuring my off-highway CR250 if I wanted. (though I declined)
I'd actually guess you could insure the TZ. Though it may not apply to racetrack use.
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Are there race series devoted to these class of bikes?
Many, but the premier is the feeder series to MotoGP, so it is a very high level machine.
Don't be fooled by the small displacement, these are very very serious machines that match the acceleration of much bigger bikes, and by all accounts handle like a scalpel.
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Just for comparison's sake. My best time at Grattan on my 929 (150+ HP, 378 pounds wet, full tilt ohlins/Kyle suspension) was 1:26:03. Best time on my RC was 1:26.01. AVERAGE race time on my 96 TZ was 1:25.2 with a best ever lap of 1:23.7. The TZ made all of 82 HP, weighed 218 pounds soaking wet and was bone stock except for polished carbs and track appropriate gearing (and painstaking maintenance).
That particular bike (the TZ) still holds 3 records at Gingerman set by Jeff Vos in 1996 (11 years ago) and won the GLRRA ULGP (95% liter bikes) at Grattan 3 times with Greg Gibson riding.
Now in stereo Visionaries say "Yes, we can."
Engineers say "Not so fast."
and Seamus is awesome
OK, I've been fascinated by these for a while, but I've never ridden one. Questions -
How much different is the riding experience than riding a front line 600?
How hard is it to stay in the power band?
How narrow is the useful band?
How comparable is the acceleration in that band?
How hard is it to get used to NO engine braking?
Oh yeah - How much maintenance is required for the amount of riding I do - 7-10 trackdays per year? Is it hard to do?
OK, I've been fascinated by these for a while, but I've never ridden one. Questions -
How much different is the riding experience than riding a front line 600?
How hard is it to stay in the power band?
How narrow is the useful band?
How comparable is the acceleration in that band?
How hard is it to get used to NO engine braking?
Oh yeah - How much maintenance is required for the amount of riding I do - 7-10 trackdays per year? Is it hard to do?
I can't answer your questions, but I can see the gears turning! w00t!
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OK, I've been fascinated by these for a while, but I've never ridden one. Questions -
How much different is the riding experience than riding a front line 600?
How hard is it to stay in the power band?
How narrow is the useful band?
How comparable is the acceleration in that band?
How hard is it to get used to NO engine braking?
Oh yeah - How much maintenance is required for the amount of riding I do - 7-10 trackdays per year? Is it hard to do?
1: The handling makes a frontline 600 feel like a bus
2: After 20 laps, you won't even think about it
3: useful power is from 7.5k to 12K with the big kit at 9K
4: Comparable to a superbike level 1000 until you hit ~ 150 or so
5: Non issue. You should NEVER use your engine for braking (that's why so many people invest big dollars in slipper clutches). With a TZ, you get a "free" slipper clutch . . .
You change the rings and wrist pin/wrist pin bearings every 150 miles, pistons every 300 and the crank every 1500.
It takes around 1 and a half hours to replace pistons/rings and wrist pin/wrist pin bearings at a cost (for all the components including pistons) of about 130.00.
A crank rebuild will cost anywhere from 175.00 to 400.00 depending on what "build" you have done.
You change out the clutch every 300 miles as well at a cost of around 80.00.
Now in stereo Visionaries say "Yes, we can."
Engineers say "Not so fast."
and Seamus is awesome
The aprilia folks I hang out with say that 2 strokes are better for learning than 4 strokes. I assume this is in reference to not relying on engine braking. I think I could enjoy the low weight. A lot of my local riding buddies race 125s and praise them.
OK, I've been fascinated by these for a while, but I've never ridden one. Questions -
How much different is the riding experience than riding a front line 600?
How hard is it to stay in the power band?
How narrow is the useful band?
How comparable is the acceleration in that band?
How hard is it to get used to NO engine braking?
Oh yeah - How much maintenance is required for the amount of riding I do - 7-10 trackdays per year? Is it hard to do?
Just do it!! That way we can all drool over it at the next Grattan event and beg for rides on it.
OK dudes I got away from the morturay they are killing me
the crank is only good on one side, the chambers are 94's and they have damage on the right side. There are 96 chambers on the bike now. The extra body work is for a 96 and is rashed up I had it on my bike last year, but I got a good price on new 94 so that is what is on the bike now. I will have time on Friday to list parts by #
And the wood is not included
Last edited by The-Undertaker; 08-29-2007 at 04:34 PM.
Dude your closet lust for one will kill you until you try it.
Make sure someone can video your reaction after your first session.
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