Does your suit have a foam? If so remember you can remove it to gain space for a turtle shell
yes.. 1/2 inch dense foam. I can barely get my suit on now. STT changed their rules for this year and requires a hard one it seems. I've been planning on getting one for my own good anyway.
Do sober what you said what you'd do drunk. That will teach you to keep your mouth shut. - Ernest Hemingway
OK so the rule is unclear. It states
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Soft back pads sewn into suits are not enough. We sell Bohn back protectors at special STT member discounts
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yet Bohn is a soft protector also. So a hard foam removable would seem to be good (such as in my JR suit). That said a Bohn or turtleshell type is better than the original in many suits. So an upgrade is better (and we all want that) but to comply with rules I would double check with them before spending $$
EDIT: don't take any of this as a knock on Bohn as they make good stuff. Nor as an attempt to discourage upgraded armor as pelt portection is #1.
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STT requires a hard one? The ones similar to the type that come in a Vanson suit with hard plastic plates? I think those are not as safe, I don't think they require one of the types with a hard plastic shell. They require a separate one, meaning, yeah, they won't accept the ones that come attached to the suit, they want one that you wear separate from the suit. Just wanted to clear that up so you aren't looking for something with a hard plastic shell.
I have the Knox Contour, which I like a lot, very slim and CE Level II protection.
I have a spare lying around that looks similar to this Bohn: Bohn Cool Air Pro Racer Back Protector
but it's a Knox. It's not as slim as the Contour, if you think that would work, let me know if you're interested.
“I want to stand as close to the edge as I can without going over. Out on the edge you see all the kinds of things you can't see from the center.”
~Kurt Vonnegut, Jr.
OK so the rule is unclear. It states
"
Soft back pads sewn into suits are not enough. We sell Bohn back protectors at special STT member discounts
"
yet Bohn is a soft protector also. So a hard foam removable would seem to be good (such as in my JR suit). That said a Bohn or turtleshell type is better than the original in many suits. So an upgrade is better (and we all want that) but to comply with rules I would double check with them before spending $$
EDIT: don't take any of this as a knock on Bohn as they make good stuff. Nor as an attempt to discourage upgraded armor as pelt portection is #1.
It is kind of unclear. It says "sewn" but mine is removable If I ask them they will tell me I need to buy one from them. You know how that works. Apex also says they require one, but never checked any of my gear at all. STT might be about the same. Maybe a little more through, but I might be able to slide with the one I have. IMO the one in my suit (that is removable) is not bad, but rules are rules. If I can find one decent, and can fit it inside my suit I'll just buy one.
Originally Posted by HondaGalToo
STT requires a hard one? The ones similar to the type that come in a Vanson suit with hard plastic plates? I think those are not as safe, I don't think they require one of the types with a hard plastic shell. They require a separate one, meaning, yeah, they won't accept the ones that come attached to the suit, they want one that you wear separate from the suit. Just wanted to clear that up so you aren't looking for something with a hard plastic shell.
I have the Knox Contour, which I like a lot, very slim and CE Level II protection.
I have a spare lying around that looks similar to this Bohn: Bohn Cool Air Pro Racer Back Protector
but it's a Knox. It's not as slim as the Contour, if you think that would work, let me know if you're interested.
I not really partial to hard or soft as long as it protects and is compliant. I just figured most strap on ones were hard shell. That one you listed looks pretty nice. Probably nicer then what I was wanting to spend. How much do you want for it? Kinda goes along with the suits.. I'd like a 1500 dollar suit, but the 600 dollar one I have works. (except for the bastards wouldn't exchange me for the right size )
Do sober what you said what you'd do drunk. That will teach you to keep your mouth shut. - Ernest Hemingway
It is kind of unclear. It says "sewn" but mine is removable If I ask them they will tell me I need to buy one from them. You know how that works. Apex also says they require one, but never checked any of my gear at all. STT might be about the same. Maybe a little more through, but I might be able to slide with the one I have. IMO the one in my suit (that is removable) is not bad, but rules are rules. If I can find one decent, and can fit it inside my suit I'll just buy one.
I not really partial to hard or soft as long as it protects and is compliant. I just figured most strap on ones were hard shell. That one you listed looks pretty nice. Probably nicer then what I was wanting to spend. How much do you want for it? Kinda goes along with the suits.. I'd like a 1500 dollar suit, but the 600 dollar one I have works. (except for the bastards wouldn't exchange me for the right size )
They wouldn't let you exchange leathers? That sucks, most places allow that.
I haven't seen many hard-shell back protectors, they seem to have gotten away from them.
I'll have to go measure the back protector for you, it's out in the trailer at the moment, to make sure it's long enough. It's HondaGal's, she's about 5'3". I'd be looking for $60 shipped...but it might be too thick for your leathers. I could also bring it to Grattan in case you don't have something by then, so you could try it on.
“I want to stand as close to the edge as I can without going over. Out on the edge you see all the kinds of things you can't see from the center.”
~Kurt Vonnegut, Jr.
They wouldn't let you exchange leathers? That sucks, most places allow that.
I haven't seen many hard-shell back protectors, they seem to have gotten away from them.
I'll have to go measure the back protector for you, it's out in the trailer at the moment, to make sure it's long enough. It's HondaGal's, she's about 5'3". I'd be looking for $60 shipped...but it might be too thick for your leathers. I could also bring it to Grattan in case you don't have something by then, so you could try it on.
What model is the back protector? Some manufacturers say small protectors will fit up to 5'9", which I am, so it might work if I can figure out the thickness.
Do sober what you said what you'd do drunk. That will teach you to keep your mouth shut. - Ernest Hemingway
...dude you ride an offroad bike with slicks, 1/2 the weight of a GS, double the suspension, with a browning 50 cal going off 32" from your skull as a daily freaking driver - I'd expect anything except a nitro dragbike to be bland by comparison - SSG
Advanced and Intermediate group riders ARE REQUIRED TO WEAR A BACK PROTECTOR. Soft back pads sewn into suits are not enough. We sell Bohn back protectors at special STT member discounts. We can arrange to deliver your new back protector to you the day of your event or ship it to you home. We will have a limited number (6-10 per event) of back protectors for rent. No back protector = no track time!!!
Looks like you just have to have a separate unit of protection. Although some integrated units are better than what you buy separately.
Amateurs practices until they get it right. A professional practices until they can't get it wrong.
The one I have now is better then that one. Oddly enough I checked New Enough and they only have 1 protector.. that being the joe rocket one (which I am not a big fan of chinese stuff)
Originally Posted by Hammer
Here is the rule:
Looks like you just have to have a separate unit of protection. Although
some integrated units are better than what you buy separately.
Right.. so if mine is detachable from the suit does it count?? How "fussy" is STT? Even though I know I should be getting something more durable.
Do sober what you said what you'd do drunk. That will teach you to keep your mouth shut. - Ernest Hemingway
The one I have now is better then that one. Oddly enough I checked New Enough and they only have 1 protector.. that being the joe rocket one (which I am not a big fan of chinese stuff)
Right.. so if mine is detachable from the suit does it count?? How "fussy" is STT? Even though I know I should be getting something more durable. [/font][/color]
Maybe you should post up a pic of what you have now so that we know what you're talking about.
...dude you ride an offroad bike with slicks, 1/2 the weight of a GS, double the suspension, with a browning 50 cal going off 32" from your skull as a daily freaking driver - I'd expect anything except a nitro dragbike to be bland by comparison - SSG
I use a bohn back protector and have since I started track riding. When I crashed at Putnam I fractured 2 vertebra (T9 & T12) while wearing one. Now some would say that it did no good as I still broke bones, But I look at it like I only fractured 2 and can still walk.
Amateurs practices until they get it right. A professional practices until they can't get it wrong.
I personally think this (Bohn ProRacer Cool-Air) is "the" back protector. It's the one that I wanted when I was buying but then I won a contest that let me pick from a certain catalog and that one wasn't in there so I went with an Alpinestars Bionic Vest. I'm really happy with it and don't have any complaints. I wear it everywhere, even if I'm just running to the store. If I'm on the bike I'm wearing it.
...dude you ride an offroad bike with slicks, 1/2 the weight of a GS, double the suspension, with a browning 50 cal going off 32" from your skull as a daily freaking driver - I'd expect anything except a nitro dragbike to be bland by comparison - SSG
I use a bohn back protector and have since I started track riding. When I crashed at Putnam I fractured 2 vertebra (T9 & T12) while wearing one. Now some would say that it did no good as I still broke bones, But I look at it like I only fractured 2 and can still walk.
I personally think this (Bohn ProRacer Cool-Air) is "the" back protector. It's the one that I wanted when I was buying but then I won a contest that let me pick from a certain catalog and that one wasn't in there so I went with an Alpinestars Bionic Vest. I'm really happy with it and don't have any complaints. I wear it everywhere, even if I'm just running to the store. If I'm on the bike I'm wearing it.
The Bohn is nice. It would probably fit in my suit too, but I was hoping to keep it in the 50 price range. I'll get the 200 dollar protector with my 2000 dollar suit <---- the look on mrs silvers face when she reads this..
The bionic vest wouldn't fit in my suit for sure
Do sober what you said what you'd do drunk. That will teach you to keep your mouth shut. - Ernest Hemingway
I wear a Bohn inside my Vanson suit which also has built-in armor. I got launched skyward and landed flat on my back in a textbook highside and walked away. After looking at the rash on the back of my leathers, I'm amazed I'm walking today...
Not like I am a brand junkie, but with no data on that product I have serious doubts about the R&D that went into the product and how well it will disperse the energy from an impact.
Amateurs practices until they get it right. A professional practices until they can't get it wrong.
Even though it's out of your price range, I'd stick with a known brand...Knox, T-Force, Alpinestars.
I'll get a measurement and pic of the spare one I have later today...gotta run right now, gonna be late!
“I want to stand as close to the edge as I can without going over. Out on the edge you see all the kinds of things you can't see from the center.”
~Kurt Vonnegut, Jr.
The Bohn is nice. It would probably fit in my suit too, but I was hoping to keep it in the 50 price range. I'll get the 200 dollar protector with my 2000 dollar suit <---- the look on mrs silvers face when she reads this..
The bionic vest wouldn't fit in my suit for sure
That's not the look I have on my face......
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This is not an area in which to economize.You don't ask your co workers for their used air filtration components, do you? Why are you looking for a used protector when fitment could be the difference between serious injury or walking away?
Get your suit altered by Barnacle Bill or spyderleatherworks Got my leathers back... and fit a proper guard in there. I wore the Bohn Pro-Racer model listed above for the last 4 or 5 years, I upgraded to their CE approved back and chest combo this year. I think it was about 150 bucks.It's much thinner, but more importantly, it has undergone some level of testing and R&D.
If you want to go fast like a pro, why would you consider some ebay bullshit unit that looks like it was made by a quilting club that a pro wouldn't even consider wearing?
Forcefield, Knox, Bohn, Dainese are all reputable companies. I've heard that A-star makes a good one as well.
I have a foam back protector that came with my old textile jacket, its similar shaped to the one from your suit but actually looks like its the same material/construction as this A* chest protector Alpinestars Tech Chest Guard It says its CE level 1 certified. If yours has a feel like that I bet you'd be just fine at STT. They probably do the back pat check just like TPM does. Just before releasing you onto the track someone pats your back, if they feel it there I bet you're good to go.
I wear a Spidi Back Warrior. its the same as whats in their "defender" stuff but I have just the back protector. Back Protectors - Read Reviews and Buy at KneeDraggers.com Its CE level 2 certified which was the main thing I was searching for when I bought it. I'm not sure if its good for multiple crashes because it has plastic on it that looks like it would collapse if it took a hit. But I have worn it through 2 crashes. one highside I landed mostly on my hip and some of my back and the other was more my head and shoulder. both times my back never had even a tinge of pain. Not knowing if its a multi use protector I'm gonna buy another one this year. probably go with a combo back/chest unit. probably that T-Pro stuff. I hope Frenchie chimes in cause I think that's what she has and I know hers fit me pretty well.
"If everything seems under control, you're just not going fast enough" - Mario Andretti
This is not an area in which to economize.You don't ask your co workers for their used air filtration components, do you? Why are you looking for a used protector when fitment could be the difference between serious injury or walking away?
Get your suit altered by Barnacle Bill or spyderleatherworks Got my leathers back... and fit a proper guard in there. I wore the Bohn Pro-Racer model listed above for the last 4 or 5 years, I upgraded to their CE approved back and chest combo this year. I think it was about 150 bucks.It's much thinner, but more importantly, it has undergone some level of testing and R&D.
If you want to go fast like a pro, why would you consider some ebay bullshit unit that looks like it was made by a quilting club that a pro wouldn't even consider wearing?
Forcefield, Knox, Bohn, Dainese are all reputable companies. I've heard that A-star makes a good one as well.
I don't see anything wrong with used as long as it’s not damaged. Some people buy things and don't use them, or don't like them for silly reasons. I agree that is needs to fit properly though. I just figured any separate back protector would be better than what is in my suit now. I'm also watching another on ebay, but it will probably go for more then I'm willing to pay.. I didn't know about the one above, so was just asking. eBay Motors: Alpinestars Back Protector (item 180337361633 end time Mar-25-09 20:27:04 PDT)=
At this point if HG2's will fit me, and fit in my suit, I'll just go with that one. It is a name brand one as well.
Do sober what you said what you'd do drunk. That will teach you to keep your mouth shut. - Ernest Hemingway
The one I have is a Knox KC2000. The size is small tour. It's 21 inches long. Might be too short for you. Attached is a picture. I don't think they make this model any longer. This one has never been crashed.
“I want to stand as close to the edge as I can without going over. Out on the edge you see all the kinds of things you can't see from the center.”
~Kurt Vonnegut, Jr.
The one I have is a Knox KC2000. The size is small tour. It's 21 inches long. Might be too short for you. Attached is a picture. I don't think they make this model any longer. This one has never been crashed.
Looks good. Thin too. I just measured my back. From the top of my jeans to that round bone that sticks out at the start of the neck is 22". Not sure how low it's supposed to go, but I think it will work. My pants/waist is 32". I'm sure it would be ok there too. ? If you want to sell it pm me your address, and I'll get a check sent out.
Do sober what you said what you'd do drunk. That will teach you to keep your mouth shut. - Ernest Hemingway
Looks good. Thin too. I just measured my back. From the top of my jeans to that round bone that sticks out at the start of the neck is 22". Not sure how low it's supposed to go, but I think it will work. My pants/waist is 32". I'm sure it would be ok there too. ? If you want to sell it pm me your address, and I'll get a check sent out.
I like a back protector to extend down to my tailbone, however, that's not always possible with a 2 piece suit. Do you have a one or 2 piece? I just don't want to sell you something that ultimately won't work. If you have a 2 piece without much extra room in the waist, then this might work. Tell ya what, if you want to try it, I'll sell it for $60 including shipping. If it doesn't work out for you, bring it to Grattan and I'll give you your money back, less the actual shipping cost. If that sounds ok, let me know, and I'll PM you either my PayPal address, or address for a check, whichever works for you.
“I want to stand as close to the edge as I can without going over. Out on the edge you see all the kinds of things you can't see from the center.”
~Kurt Vonnegut, Jr.
I went ahead and made an account to the wera board. Its not the first time I've needed some info from there so.. Nothing on the site (hollow point racing) about back protectors but I pm'd him. I'm sure even at cost though, they'd be around a hundred bucks. Maybe he could help with size though.
Originally Posted by HondaGalToo
I like a back protector to extend down to my tailbone, however, that's not always possible with a 2 piece suit. Do you have a one or 2 piece? I just don't want to sell you something that ultimately won't work. If you have a 2 piece without much extra room in the waist, then this might work. Tell ya what, if you want to try it, I'll sell it for $60 including shipping. If it doesn't work out for you, bring it to Grattan and I'll give you your money back, less the actual shipping cost. If that sounds ok, let me know, and I'll PM you either my PayPal address, or address for a check, whichever works for you.
I have a one piece suit. In order for a back protector to reach the end of the tail bone it would have to be a longer model specific back protector wouldn't it? Most don't go down that far do they? Is that normal? Don't feel obligated to sell it to me if you think you or HG will need it in the future you know. I don't want to see you take a hit on it unnecessarily or end up having to replace it. If you know you guys won't use it then that's different.. I can wait for that guy to pm me back on size, but I think it will work. Even if it doesn't Courtney could use it. I use pay pal but you'll get hit with a fee for collecting. I'm in no hurry at all. It won't be used it until the end of May so it would be your benefit to cash the check first (so you know it’s good )and mail it out later at your convenience, but either way is fine.
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Originally Posted by SheepOfBlue
STT changed their rules for this year and requires a hard one it seems. I've been planning on getting one for my own good anyway.
You know how that works. Apex also says they require one, but never checked any of my gear at all. STT might be about the same. Maybe a little more through, but I might be able to slide with the one I have. IMO the one in my suit (that is removable) is not bad, but rules are rules. If I can find one decent, and can fit it inside my suit I'll just buy one.
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<---- the look on mrs silvers face when she reads this.. 
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