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Religious police in Saudi Arabia arrest mother for sitting with a man - Times Online

This crap is outrageous.

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SheepOfBlue

and we will never win until we openly state that we are fighting Islamic Fascism. Something most governments fail to do
'Don't mention Islamic extremists': Government phrasebook tries to avoid upsetting Muslims | the Daily Mail

though we are no better calling it the war on terror while letting radical Imans into our country and giving CAIR access to our troops.

Sadly things will get worse everywhere until the politicians start being honest about what the REAL danger is

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Hammer

She should have her head examined.

1. She lived here in the states, and then left thinking that the laws were more "Liberal". I guess she found out different. She had to know the laws over there and what might happen, but she knowingly took the chance and went anyway. Not that I condone the religion or what was done to her, she knew by leaving the states what she was up against.

2. She said that she wanted to stay and fight. She is just blowing smoke IMO. If shewas going to do something she should have made her statement by not signing the guilty plea and told the judge to shove his laws up his ass. That is how you make a statement, not by saying "Yes I am guilty and I am sorry".

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Repeater

Ya think they all have small willies and are just pissed off about it?

f1_hurricane

yes.

oldfogey

BBC NEWS | Politics | Sharia comments trigger criticism

This has caused quite a lot of discussion in the UK!

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SheepOfBlue

Yep heard that it sounded bizarre. His actual comment did not quite fit the headline (they seldom do) but it was sadly close. I seem to remember some other bizarre thoughts from the same man, though I might be confusing two people.

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oldfogey

We do have an existing situation where some family disputes can be settled, by mutual agreement, in a Jewish family court, and there does seem to be a natural extension of that principle to a Shariah court within this same, restricted area. It was in that context the Archbishop made his comments, but he gave the press an opportunity and they took it with both hands.

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CBRVFR

We have the same opportunity here for business and civil disputes between religiously oriented parties, but again, it is by mutual consent of those parties. It is viewed as a means of third party arbitration, welcomed by the overburdened courts like other mediation-arbitration venues, and the decisions are not legally binding on the US courts to any extent or in any way beyond a regular agreement between parties. If a party decides to not comply with the decision, they can count on the dispute going before the civil courts, possibly (but not likely) without the participation of Jewish lawyers and judges... They can pretty much forget about getting the really lean corned beef or the best Bar Mitzvah invitations, though.

Also, the Jewish 'bet din' seldom calls for removal of offending body parts with a big fucking sword. More's the pity.

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luvtolean

If I could find him, I have a guy who needs to lose a hand.

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SheepOfBlue

Also arbitration and family courts run by folks of the Jewish faith or Christian faith do not hand down death sentences

BBC News | UK | Fatwa for 'gay Jesus' writer

I think the play vile but not as vile as the "court" that judged them. The other courts while sometimes having religious basis must still conform to societies norms. When the norm is torture, murder and mistreatment of women I will continue to object and oppose them.

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Violations of 'Islamic teachings' take deadly toll on Iraqi women - CNN.com

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CBRVFR

As far as YOU know....

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SheepOfBlue

IF they did how long do you think it would last? The adherents of all the faiths I mentioned would put a stop to it. This is what is sadly lacking way to much in the muslim world as there is MANY examples available of this behavior. Find one case of this happening from a christian or jewish based organization in the last 10 years. Likely you may be able to but you can EASILY find 10 in the last year via the muslim based sharia law. These not only happen they are publicly pronounced.

Nice try

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CBRVFR

No one has seen Murray the Schlemiel since the day of that fateful court appearance when he was supposed to testify against Bubbe Goldstein about that spoilt herring....

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SheepOfBlue

and since no maple or caffeine was involved you cannot blame me...

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proto

Perhaps I misunderstand what you are saying but do not the God fearing folk of Texas and their elected governor execute more of their own citizens than just about anywhere else on Earth?

seamus

Yeah, but that's a secular judicial system.

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SheepOfBlue

Actually it is the godless Chinese But yes you did misunderstand as that is a secular court as Seamus noted. Yes, it is INFLUENCED by religion as all courts are but it is not based on it as in Shariah. For the muslim community to influence public law through elections is normal and healthy. They could even have beneficial ideas. That said I have not seen that happen, instead the in areas they gain control the law is generally used to punish people that are not muslim in a systematic fashion.

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proto

Sorry Sheep, but you quite plainly stated family courts run by folks of the Christian faith.

Well in Texas, family courts run by folks of the Christain faith DO hand down the death sentance. Often. And the devout Christian Governor makes sure those death sentances are carried out.

And yes, secular, treating all equally under the eye of the law, irrespective of their faith, but the laws which are used to judge people are very much based on the teachings Christianity and the bible.

And I'm not sure the Chinese see themselves as 'godless' either. As an aside, I was very surprised to read the other day that Japan still has capital punishment. I thought they were better than that.

SheepOfBlue

Nope criminal courts hand down death sentences not family courts.

Also I was speaking of godless Chinese tongue in cheek as that is communist doctrine. Yes there are Catholics in Red China and if they worship outside the Communist sanctioned court they do so at their own peril. As many do, there is an active under ground Catholic community in China.

I appreciate your dislike for the death sentence (and share it) however to compare a Texas state court with Shariah courts operating in parallel with the government Also I believe Shariah law still proscribes death by stoning on occasion. Again the parallel seems to be a real stretch.

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proto

But isn't it true that where Sharia law is practiced, Sharia law is state law. And state sanctioned murder is murder. And from my little knowledge of the Bible, that some Christians seem to think this a good idea, I find a very disturbing.

And I don't think it's too much of a stretch to compare stoning to death with someone strapping electrodes to your head and frying your brain with 10000 volts

China, 'godless' in your term maybe, but to deny that the Chinese are a spiritual people is very wide of the mark. Their concpet of religion may be different from your idea of an imaginary friend, but godless, I don't think is really being fair.

By the way I think you are using China as your basis you need to redefne 'communist doctrine. China ceased being a traditional 'communist' country some time back. They are more free market capitalist that the US these days!

SheepOfBlue

Reread BOTH posts the godless was aimed at the COMMUNIST GOVERNMENT something that is doctrine, I explained this with an example even. Also godless means what it means, an athiest is godless since they do not believe in a god A Buddhist is not as he does believe in a higher being (I think I am not up on Buddhism).

Yes in Iran Shariah law is government law however the discussion was about England and having Shariah law also imposed based on the post by OldFogey however the original was not (my response was about the English one though)

So I can go to China and buy land and start a factory and company with no Chinese participation other than government license now? If not could GM? Could Rolls? Unless it has changed recently the answer is no. However I can show you a two plants in the Alabama/Tennessee region that are owned 100% by foreign companies (Japanese and Korean). Further try printing a newspaper that criticizes the government in China . Or surf the wrong internet site. Or as stated go to the wrong church. It may have been lifted but citizens even needed travel visas for internal travel not that long ago. Fuck China!

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luvtolean

Proto, have you ever been to China?

It's more a dictatorship that communist, but with a few "free economic zone" exceptions (Beijing, Shenzhen, Tianjin, the 3 I know and have visited), where the government tells you exactly what you are premitted to do, where and what you can sell, life is pretty much the same as it was 50 years ago in most of the country.

I don't disagree with you on the spirituality part though.


Shariah Law is a travesty on humanity. Nothing less. No other organized mainstream religion in the world today does more to oppress.

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proto

LTL and Sheep, my comments on China being more free market economy than the us were very much tongue in cheek. But I maintain that China is far from the traditional communist/Marxist/Stalinist model that in my innocence I thought Sheep was suggesting it to be.

I believe not, but the evry fact you can co-own the enterprise suggests that the communist ideals have somewhat been diminished. You know t