MotoGP 2008 - Brno**Race SPOILER**

ND4SPD · 08-13-2008, 09:54 AM

Nicky is out and the mites are back.
Stoner swept the stats last year.
Rossi seems to be back on his game
The track is freshly paved - tire wear is a concern

Stoner
Rossi
Lorenzo
Dovi

ND4SPD · 08-15-2008, 10:00 AM

Nakano is doing pretty well on that pneumatic motor equipped RC212V with his Bridgestones.

1. Casey Stoner AUS Ducati Marlboro Team (B) 1min 57.231 secs
2. Valentino Rossi ITA Fiat Yamaha Team (B) 1min 57.410 secs
3. Loris Capirossi ITA Rizla Suzuki MotoGP (B) 1min 58.000 secs
4. Shinya Nakano JPN San Carlo Honda Gresini (B) 1min 58.228 secs
5. Alex de Angelis RSM San Carlo Honda Gresini (B) 1min 58.264 secs
6. Chris Vermeulen AUS Rizla Suzuki MotoGP (B) 1min 58.462 secs
7. Colin Edwards USA Tech 3 Yamaha (M) 1min 58.672 secs
8. John Hopkins USA Kawasaki Racing Team (B) 1min 58.830 secs
9. Toni Elias SPA Alice Team (B) 1min 58.881 secs
10. Sylvain Guintoli FRA Alice Team (B) 1min 58.923 secs
11. Jorge Lorenzo SPA Fiat Yamaha Team (M) 1min 58.977 secs
12. Andrea Dovizioso ITA JiR Team Scot MotoGP (M) 1min 59.094 secs
13. James Toseland GBR Tech 3 Yamaha (M) 1min 59.328 secs
14. Randy de Puniet FRA LCR Honda MotoGP (M) 1min 59.405 secs
15. Marco Melandri ITA Ducati Marlboro Team (B) 1min 59.943 secs
16. Dani Pedrosa SPA Repsol Honda Team (M) 2min 0.540 secs
17. Anthony West AUS Kawasaki Racing Team (B) 2min 0.621 secs

bzwyatt · 08-15-2008, 12:29 PM

Looks like a good weekend.

I checked the Speed website, it says MotoGP 250 is on at 11 on Sunday, don't see World Camp. on there. They aren't showing only the 250s are they? They must mean the w.champ. at 11... ?

oh and this on Stoner is interesting; http://www.superbikeplanet.com/2008/Aug/080814y.htm

SheepOfBlue · 08-15-2008, 12:53 PM

Wow pod is 3 seconds off

ND4SPD · 08-15-2008, 12:57 PM

Seems to be another Michelin blunder this weekend. Colin is the only one in the top 10 on Michelin.

jose_jimenez · 08-15-2008, 01:20 PM

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Originally Posted by ND4SPD

Seems to be another Michelin blunder this weekend. Colin is the only one in the top 10 on Michelin.

You are correct. Rossi is such an idiot for switching isn't he?

The word is Nakano got the engine so little midget gets data as he is also planning to switch to Bridgestone next year. Very interesting.

Michelin drops the ball, big time, 2 races in a row.

IN the press conference Stoner was still making excuses. Instead of owning up to his parc ferme whine, he tried deflecting it Rossi's way. Ghey, poor Stacey.

CBRVFR · 08-16-2008, 10:29 AM

The MotoGP race is not on SPEED, it's on one of your Fox affiliates this Sunday afternoon. Check your web TV guide.

Qualifying took place in wet, atrocious conditions - looks like Hopper had had a better rehab from his injuries than Lorenzo or Pedrosa.

1. Casey Stoner AUS Ducati Marlboro Team (B) 2min 11.657 secs
2. Valentino Rossi ITA Fiat Yamaha Team (B) 2min 12.846 secs
3. John Hopkins USA Kawasaki Racing Team (B) 2min 12.959 secs
4. Chris Vermeulen AUS Rizla Suzuki MotoGP (B) 2min 13.002 secs
5. Alex de Angelis RSM San Carlo Honda Gresini (B) 2min 13.352 secs
6. Anthony West AUS Kawasaki Racing Team (B) 2min 14.064 secs
7. Randy de Puniet FRA LCR Honda MotoGP (M) 2min 14.535 secs
8. Shinya Nakano JPN San Carlo Honda Gresini (B) 2min 14.718 secs
9. Loris Capirossi ITA Rizla Suzuki MotoGP (B) 2min 14.805 secs
10. Sylvain Guintoli FRA Alice Team (B) 2min 14.861 secs
11. Marco Melandri ITA Ducati Marlboro Team (B) 2min 15.880 secs
12. Dani Pedrosa SPA Repsol Honda Team (M) 2min 16.032 secs
13. Toni Elias SPA Alice Team (B) 2min 16.510 secs
14. Andrea Dovizioso ITA JiR Team Scot MotoGP (M) 2min 17.632 secs
15. Colin Edwards USA Tech 3 Yamaha (M) 2min 20.074 secs

DNQ:
16. James Toseland GBR Tech 3 Yamaha (M) 2min 23.303 secs
17. Jorge Lorenzo SPA Fiat Yamaha Team (M) 2min 23.701 secs

So, they're not going to let these guys on the track, or they'll have to start from pit lane?

So much for prognostication, eh, Z?

TCD · 08-16-2008, 11:03 AM

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Originally Posted by CBRVFR

The MotoGP race is not on SPEED, it's on one of your Fox affiliates this Sunday afternoon. Check your web TV guide.

It is on CBS at 2:00pm Eastern and Specific Time.

MotoVegas · 08-16-2008, 01:06 PM

DNQ's wow. That must smart.

jose_jimenez · 08-16-2008, 02:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CBRVFR

Qualifying took place in wet, atrocious conditions - looks like Hopper had had a better rehab from his injuries than Lorenzo or Pedrosa.

Yes, and Hopper has a new engine and a new chassis.

ND4SPD · 08-17-2008, 03:41 PM

Looks like Rossi finally managed to get inside Stoner's head.

1. Valentino Rossi ITA Fiat Yamaha Team (B) 43min 28.841 secs
2. Toni Elias SPA Alice Team (B) 43min 43.845 secs
3. Loris Capirossi ITA Rizla Suzuki MotoGP (B) 43min 50.530 secs
4. Shinya Nakano JPN San Carlo Honda Gresini (B) 43min 54.700 secs
5. Anthony West AUS Kawasaki Racing Team (B) 43min 58.306 secs
6. Chris Vermeulen AUS Rizla Suzuki MotoGP (B) 43min 59.449 secs
7. Marco Melandri ITA Ducati Marlboro Team (B) 44min 5.294 secs
8. Alex de Angelis RSM San Carlo Honda Gresini (B) 44min 5.591 secs
9. Andrea Dovizioso ITA JiR Team Scot MotoGP (M) 44min 7.663 secs
10. Jorge Lorenzo SPA Fiat Yamaha Team (M) 44min 8.414 secs
11. John Hopkins USA Kawasaki Racing Team (B) 44min 8.451 secs
12. Sylvain Guintoli FRA Alice Team (B) 44min 9.733 secs
13. James Toseland GBR Tech 3 Yamaha (M) 44min 40.331 secs
14. Colin Edwards USA Tech 3 Yamaha (M) 44min 49.974 secs
15. Dani Pedrosa SPA Repsol Honda Team (M) 45min 5.879 secs
16. Randy de Puniet FRA LCR Honda MotoGP (M) 45min 7.248 secs

ND4SPD · 08-17-2008, 03:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jose_jimenez

Rossi is such an idiot for switching isn't he?

I don't believe I ever said that. It does prove however that Michelin is a bunch of arrogant pricks that still haven't got their act together.

I hope this doesn't send everyone flocking to Bridgestone - having a spec tire would suck.

jose_jimenez · 08-17-2008, 03:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ND4SPD

Looks like Rossi finally managed to get inside Stoner's head.

I don't know about get in his head but he was pushing Stoner to up his lap times, he tried, and down he went. Rossi had just started to reel him in by taking a few tenths. Rossi chose a hard rear while Stoner chose the medium rear. It took Rossi's tire longer to heat up because of the compound. He would have reeled him in and I was looking forward to another battle. Oh well, another boring race.

Michelin is screwing up big time. Watch Dani split the Repsol garage next year. I'm sure control tire talks will begin, again.

The people who ragged on Rossi for doing what he had to do to switch tire makes sure look foolish now. Go read Pedrosa's post race comments, wow!
Had Rossi not switched, he wouldn't be leading right now, and he wouldn't have a chance at the title.

CBR929RE · 08-17-2008, 09:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TCD

It is on CBS at 2:00pm Eastern and Specific Time.

"don't you mean Pacific?"
"no I think it means it starts specifically at 2"

I didn't know the race was on CBS so I was flipping through the channels and came upon it with Rossi on the side of the track getting congratulated. That kinda sucked but its not like Speed will repeat it anyway.

seamus · 08-17-2008, 09:54 PM

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Originally Posted by jose_jimenez

...Oh well, another boring race...

I didn't think it was that bad. Other than Rossi finishing the race early enough to get some practice runs in Misano before standing on the podium, the action from 2nd through 6th was worth watching.

Definitely some "hey, where'd that guy come from" moments in there.

MotoVegas · 08-17-2008, 10:47 PM

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Originally Posted by jose_jimenez

Oh well, another boring race.

Boring? Sure it was no Laguna Seca, but other than the number 1 spot the race wasn't boring imho. Meh, I was shocked as hell to finally see another Ducati so far up!

Heavy-Dee · 08-18-2008, 09:42 AM

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Originally Posted by seamus

I didn't think it was that bad. Other than Rossi finishing the race early enough to get some practice runs in Misano before standing on the podium, the action from 2nd through 6th was worth watching.

Definitely some "hey, where'd that guy come from" moments in there.

Agreed. It was nice to see some other mfg's up in the ranks. Even West had a decent day.

ND4SPD · 08-18-2008, 09:44 AM

MotoGP News

CBRVFR · 08-18-2008, 11:07 PM

Another brilliant article

jose_jimenez · 08-19-2008, 12:11 AM

Noyes post on speed forums. Interesting note that Thumbelina could be on Bridgestones this year but Fukui decided against it. This shit is heating up after the Brno round!

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I don’t believe that the real purpose of the meeting in Brno had anything to do with “safety”. Dorna have a problem. Michelin riders are out of luck this year…Bridgestone now has a huge advantage in both wet and dry conditions and Spanish riders, especially Pedrosa and Lorenzo, are a big part of the attraction on TVE…when they are not competitive and when there is no fight at the front, the viewers go away.

Dorna has to do something to something to get Pedrosa and Lorenzo on competitive tires…and at the same time Rossi, who is 90% of the show outside Spain, is saying that the championship needs to “neutralize” traction control, eliminate “ride by wire” and take a step back in tires,

Now the way things work internally is that there are four entities in the decision making process and each has some special area of competence.

Dorna has priority over making proposals on “commercial matters”
The FIM can propose changes in matters related to “safety” and “sportsmanship”
The MSMA are the source of proposals regarding “technical regulations”
And IRTA have some vague rights regarding the paddock facilities. IRTA are really Dorna’s second vote.

Dorna can propose almost anything and succeed as long as the proposal can be understood as commercial.

Assume Dorna wants to propose that all bikes carry two video cameras…(remember Stoner’s camera coming lose) and the MSMA decides to oppose. Assume that the FIM also votes no. Dorna and IRTA vote yes…and Dorna has the right to break ties…so it passes,

That means Dorna can pass any regulation determined to be within their realm of competence.

But let us assume that last year when Dorna was prepared to propose a single tire rule…something which is notionally a commercial matter…the MSMA objected violently…energetically…assume that the big dog, Honda, said, “Carmelo, don´t do this!”

That would have been (was) a big problem, because Dorna must get along with the MSMA and Honda is the MSMA.

Fortunately for Dorna, Michelin stepped up and promised a 40 million euro increase in development and promised on bended knee what no one can promise…not when they di not control Bridgestone… That allowed Dorna to withdraw the offending proposal and Honda HRC chose to believe Michelin could do it.

Dorna had already forced Bridgestone to supply Rossi and would have forced Bridgestone to supply Pedrosa too, but HRC’s Fukui, an old timer, said that Honda would not turn their back on their old friend and partner, Michelin, after one bad season.

Now Michelin is failing and showing no signs of getting back on track. Pedrosa is bad mouthing Michelin and Puig is confronting Herve Poncheral on the grid trying to get him to push his two Yams off the track along with Alberto who actually seems to think he speaks for HRC. Alberto tried to organize an Indy F1 type abandonment after the warm up lap.

Now Dorna cannot control Puig even though he works for them. No one can control Puig. And Puig controls Pedrosa….

What can Dorna do to get a single tire rule in place for 2009…thereby mollifying Puig and Pedrosa…without going against the will of Honda…ironically the manufacturer who stands the most to gain from a single tire rule now that they are a Michelin team and would have to go to the back of the line in requesting Bridgestone tires for 2009…not to mention suffering a loss of face.

Well, what Dorna can do is call a “safety” meeting and attack the control tire question as a safety question…in a way that, in fact, spares Michelin embarrassment by claiming that the tires are so good that, along with traction control aid, corner speed is now so high and the bikes so hooked up that when one breaks lose it goes into low orbit.

Ezpeleta can then appeal to the FIM to look at this from a safety point of view…and at the same time they can propose a control ECU also as a safety measure.

This is very clever because, while FIM president Vito Ippolito is opposed to a single tire in a prototype class of racing, he is strongly, strongly against traction control. So he might be prepared to accept the control tire if that lets him get rid of (or “neutralize”) traction control..

So, if the FIM goes for this and makes the proposal to introduce a control tire and a generic ECU of limited sophistication, the MSMA can vote no, but, even if the vote is unanimous, the MSMA vote is a simple no and not a veto…and that means that this measure would pass easily 3-1.

The MSMA have the power to pass any technical regulation that they propose even over 3-1 opposition if the MSMA vote is unanimous.

Likewise they can defeat any technical proposal if they are unanimously opposed…and they would argue that, even of made for safety reasons, a proposal to limit electronics is a technical proposal…so, notionally, the MSMA could vote unanimously against such an ECU proposal and claim to have the power to defeat it….and Dorna would never want to anger the MSMA by over-ruling them.

So what is really going on here?

Dorna will discuss ECUs and even such wild notions (not because they are wrong but because they would never pass MSMA muster) as reverting to 990s, adding more weight or introducing narrower rims, but the main objective would be to manage to get a single tire rule approved without Dorna openly proposing it. The MSMA is philosophically against the idea, but Honda, the real force of the MSMA, now needs to get onto competitive tires in a “graceful” way…and it would not be graceful for Honda to have to be seen admitting that they were wrong about Michelin and going knocking on the Bridgestone door….

And remember they won the 8 hours with Bridgestone and are now running Nakano on a mfull factory bike with Bridgestones…so there would be no opposition from Japanese Bridgestone to supplying the largest bike factory in the world…but there are appearances that mean a lot to the Japanese and especially to Fukui.

Besides, if Honda jumps ship to Bridgestone that leaves Michelin having to get satellite teams to run their product…the role Dunlop was in for many years in 500 and MotoGP after their fall from glory.

So, if the single tire rule is somehow a “safety” matter proposed by the FIM and supported by Dorna and IRTA, the MSMA can accept gracefully…it would not even require them voting yes. If just one member votes yes and the rest no (on a secret ballot to make it even more mysterious) the MSMA could have the satisfaction for voting a simple no but being beaten 2-1 and accepting.

There is a lot more to this, but this is enough for now ¿no?

08-13-2008, 09:54 AM	#1
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08-15-2008, 10:00 AM	#2
ND4SPD I'm BATMAN!!! Join Date: 12-12-2006 Bike(s): Trek Posts: 8,138 Images: 25	Nakano is doing pretty well on that pneumatic motor equipped RC212V with his Bridgestones. 1. Casey Stoner AUS Ducati Marlboro Team (B) 1min 57.231 secs 2. Valentino Rossi ITA Fiat Yamaha Team (B) 1min 57.410 secs 3. Loris Capirossi ITA Rizla Suzuki MotoGP (B) 1min 58.000 secs 4. Shinya Nakano JPN San Carlo Honda Gresini (B) 1min 58.228 secs 5. Alex de Angelis RSM San Carlo Honda Gresini (B) 1min 58.264 secs 6. Chris Vermeulen AUS Rizla Suzuki MotoGP (B) 1min 58.462 secs 7. Colin Edwards USA Tech 3 Yamaha (M) 1min 58.672 secs 8. John Hopkins USA Kawasaki Racing Team (B) 1min 58.830 secs 9. Toni Elias SPA Alice Team (B) 1min 58.881 secs 10. Sylvain Guintoli FRA Alice Team (B) 1min 58.923 secs 11. Jorge Lorenzo SPA Fiat Yamaha Team (M) 1min 58.977 secs 12. Andrea Dovizioso ITA JiR Team Scot MotoGP (M) 1min 59.094 secs 13. James Toseland GBR Tech 3 Yamaha (M) 1min 59.328 secs 14. Randy de Puniet FRA LCR Honda MotoGP (M) 1min 59.405 secs 15. Marco Melandri ITA Ducati Marlboro Team (B) 1min 59.943 secs 16. Dani Pedrosa SPA Repsol Honda Team (M) 2min 0.540 secs 17. Anthony West AUS Kawasaki Racing Team (B) 2min 0.621 secs __________________ "This is your life - are you who you want to be?" Learn all you need to know about Mac OS X

08-15-2008, 12:29 PM	#3
bzwyatt Join Date: 07-14-2008 Location: Alhambra, CA Age: 27 Bike(s): '03 Z1000 Posts: 74	Looks like a good weekend. I checked the Speed website, it says MotoGP 250 is on at 11 on Sunday, don't see World Camp. on there. They aren't showing only the 250s are they? They must mean the w.champ. at 11... ? oh and this on Stoner is interesting; http://www.superbikeplanet.com/2008/Aug/080814y.htm __________________ Help keep Upper Big Tujunga clean; join Angeles Forest Motorcyclists here. Last edited by bzwyatt; 08-15-2008 at 12:37 PM.

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08-15-2008, 12:57 PM	#5
ND4SPD I'm BATMAN!!! Join Date: 12-12-2006 Bike(s): Trek Posts: 8,138 Images: 25	Seems to be another Michelin blunder this weekend. Colin is the only one in the top 10 on Michelin. __________________ "This is your life - are you who you want to be?" Learn all you need to know about Mac OS X

08-16-2008, 10:29 AM	#7
CBRVFR Godspeed, #20 Join Date: 12-13-2006 Age: 55 Bike(s): VFR750 SV650 TZ250 Posts: 5,098	The MotoGP race is not on SPEED, it's on one of your Fox affiliates this Sunday afternoon. Check your web TV guide. Qualifying took place in wet, atrocious conditions - looks like Hopper had had a better rehab from his injuries than Lorenzo or Pedrosa. 1. Casey Stoner AUS Ducati Marlboro Team (B) 2min 11.657 secs 2. Valentino Rossi ITA Fiat Yamaha Team (B) 2min 12.846 secs 3. John Hopkins USA Kawasaki Racing Team (B) 2min 12.959 secs 4. Chris Vermeulen AUS Rizla Suzuki MotoGP (B) 2min 13.002 secs 5. Alex de Angelis RSM San Carlo Honda Gresini (B) 2min 13.352 secs 6. Anthony West AUS Kawasaki Racing Team (B) 2min 14.064 secs 7. Randy de Puniet FRA LCR Honda MotoGP (M) 2min 14.535 secs 8. Shinya Nakano JPN San Carlo Honda Gresini (B) 2min 14.718 secs 9. Loris Capirossi ITA Rizla Suzuki MotoGP (B) 2min 14.805 secs 10. Sylvain Guintoli FRA Alice Team (B) 2min 14.861 secs 11. Marco Melandri ITA Ducati Marlboro Team (B) 2min 15.880 secs 12. Dani Pedrosa SPA Repsol Honda Team (M) 2min 16.032 secs 13. Toni Elias SPA Alice Team (B) 2min 16.510 secs 14. Andrea Dovizioso ITA JiR Team Scot MotoGP (M) 2min 17.632 secs 15. Colin Edwards USA Tech 3 Yamaha (M) 2min 20.074 secs DNQ: 16. James Toseland GBR Tech 3 Yamaha (M) 2min 23.303 secs 17. Jorge Lorenzo SPA Fiat Yamaha Team (M) 2min 23.701 secs So, they're not going to let these guys on the track, or they'll have to start from pit lane? So much for prognostication, eh, Z? __________________ "...the TV also never took away the screwdriver and shoved it up the repairman's ass." Our own Mr.2nd Amendment, explaining the difference. Perfectly. Rich Herald, the Gentle Giant

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08-17-2008, 03:41 PM	#11
ND4SPD I'm BATMAN!!! Join Date: 12-12-2006 Bike(s): Trek Posts: 8,138 Images: 25	Looks like Rossi finally managed to get inside Stoner's head. 1. Valentino Rossi ITA Fiat Yamaha Team (B) 43min 28.841 secs 2. Toni Elias SPA Alice Team (B) 43min 43.845 secs 3. Loris Capirossi ITA Rizla Suzuki MotoGP (B) 43min 50.530 secs 4. Shinya Nakano JPN San Carlo Honda Gresini (B) 43min 54.700 secs 5. Anthony West AUS Kawasaki Racing Team (B) 43min 58.306 secs 6. Chris Vermeulen AUS Rizla Suzuki MotoGP (B) 43min 59.449 secs 7. Marco Melandri ITA Ducati Marlboro Team (B) 44min 5.294 secs 8. Alex de Angelis RSM San Carlo Honda Gresini (B) 44min 5.591 secs 9. Andrea Dovizioso ITA JiR Team Scot MotoGP (M) 44min 7.663 secs 10. Jorge Lorenzo SPA Fiat Yamaha Team (M) 44min 8.414 secs 11. John Hopkins USA Kawasaki Racing Team (B) 44min 8.451 secs 12. Sylvain Guintoli FRA Alice Team (B) 44min 9.733 secs 13. James Toseland GBR Tech 3 Yamaha (M) 44min 40.331 secs 14. Colin Edwards USA Tech 3 Yamaha (M) 44min 49.974 secs 15. Dani Pedrosa SPA Repsol Honda Team (M) 45min 5.879 secs 16. Randy de Puniet FRA LCR Honda MotoGP (M) 45min 7.248 secs __________________ "This is your life - are you who you want to be?" Learn all you need to know about Mac OS X

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08-18-2008, 11:07 PM	#19
CBRVFR Godspeed, #20 Join Date: 12-13-2006 Age: 55 Bike(s): VFR750 SV650 TZ250 Posts: 5,098	Another brilliant article __________________ "...the TV also never took away the screwdriver and shoved it up the repairman's ass." Our own Mr.2nd Amendment, explaining the difference. Perfectly. Rich Herald, the Gentle Giant