AMA New AMA rules/class structures - UPDATED - USSB SERIES

evl_twn · 04-17-2008, 10:07 PM

Soup :: Daytona Motorsports Group Debuts New Class Structures :: 04-17-2008

Hammer · 04-17-2008, 10:18 PM

when is WSB showing again?

SheepOfBlue · 04-17-2008, 10:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Hammer

when is WSB showing again?

Don't like the liter-o-cola class?

Hammer · 04-17-2008, 10:33 PM

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Originally Posted by SheepOfBlue

Don't like the liter-o-cola class?

Liter is not in the nasbike series vocabulary.

MotoVegas · 04-17-2008, 10:52 PM

So the "Daytona Superbike" becomes the "premier" class but it includes 600s to 1200s? And the "LiterBike", while a 1000cc class, isn't the "premier" class?

Hmmmmm...

smoothrideronli · 04-17-2008, 11:05 PM

I dont like the sound of this...

Hammer · 04-17-2008, 11:14 PM

I agree that Suzuki needs to be knocked off of their highhorse in superbike, but to eliminate the 1000 all together is asinine.

the 600'sare fairly equal between the big 4, so the racing will be closer. But that is not what people want to see, nor what the mfg's want to sell. That is why they dump millions of $$ into racing. Daytona (whatever they wat to call it) wants to make bike racing just like nascrap. But I doubt that is going to happen like they planned.

MotoVegas · 04-17-2008, 11:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Hammer

I agree that Suzuki needs to be knocked off of their highhorse in superbike, but to eliminate the 1000 all together is asinine.

the 600'sare fairly equal between the big 4, so the racing will be closer. But that is not what people want to see, nor what the mfg's want to sell. That is why they dump millions of $$ into racing. Daytona (whatever they wat to call it) wants to make bike racing just like nascrap. But I doubt that is going to happen like they planned.

I agree.

Think about it for a minute. If they do have this "LiterBike" class, (which is essentially 2009 Superbike 1000cc rules), obviously while it won't be the named "premier" class, the reality is with the power and lap times they will be turning it will be the de facto premier class; as that Daytona Superbike "premier" class ranging from 600s to 1200s will be HP and weight restricted, I can't see how they would be faster around the track than than a true "LiterBike" class.

And, I'm pretty sure "premier" as it is defined in the English language essentially means first in rank or time.

We shall see how it actually turns out...

Hammer · 04-17-2008, 11:33 PM

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Originally Posted by MotoVegas

I agree.

And, I'm pretty sure "premier" as it is defined in the English language essentially means first in rank or time.

Premier, means the class who will get the most air time on speed channel.

smoothrideronli · 04-18-2008, 07:27 AM

I wonder how the manufacturers will deal with this? AMA and WSB for the mostpart complemented each other allowing manufacturers to create a bike that meets both sets of rules. I wonder if AMA will get ignored by the manufacturers now?

seamus · 04-18-2008, 08:23 AM

I think I'm going to reserve judgment until I see some more of the details.

Something's just "not right". There has to be more to the story as I don't think DMG would have just changed all the rules in a few weeks without some measured thought as to how the manufacturers would react.

Heavy-Dee · 04-18-2008, 09:18 AM

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The premier class becomes "Daytona Superbikes" which will include a very wide array of machinery from different manufacturers, from a BMW 1200 to a Japanese four-cylinder 600. Daytona Superbike will be horsepower limited and power to weight ratio limited--with the bikes being weighed with rider.

Technically it shouldn't matter if you're on a 600 or 1200 then. You ride what you think is best w/in the set parameters.

I quite like it. Should be interesting.

bwhip · 04-18-2008, 09:54 AM

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Originally Posted by seamus

I think I'm going to reserve judgment until I see some more of the details.

Something's just "not right". There has to be more to the story as I don't think DMG would have just changed all the rules in a few weeks without some measured thought as to how the manufacturers would react.

Purpdust · 04-18-2008, 10:14 AM

Wow, this is different.

jewfzr · 04-18-2008, 03:34 PM

This is just another AMA fiasco. I hope the the big 4 drop out and start or support another series. They went to Cal. and met with the big 4 and told them how it's going to be. The superbike/supersport formula works in every series through out the world and it can work here. They are trying to fix the wrong problem. I'm done with AMA from here on out.

phobe · 04-18-2008, 03:45 PM

Controlled power:weight ratio? Lame.

Purpdust · 04-18-2008, 04:20 PM

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Originally Posted by phobiaphobe

Controlled power:weight ratio? Lame.

Seamus would have to ride RS125 just to stay in the running, and CBRVFR could ride a Rocket Three.

MotoVegas · 04-18-2008, 05:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Purpdust

Seamus would have to ride RS125 just to stay in the running, and CBRVFR could ride a Rocket Three.

Well, if it's a ratio perhaps they could switch the two bikes. I mean need LOTS of power to move the big dudes around, and not so much power to move the little dudes around.

Either way, I want to see the RS125 vs. The Rocket III. That would be AMAtastic!

Repeater · 04-18-2008, 07:10 PM

Ummm SBK has a great following why not just copy what they have done.

Crap crap crap!

seamus · 04-18-2008, 07:21 PM

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Originally Posted by MotoVegas

Well, if it's a ratio perhaps they could switch the two bikes. I mean need LOTS of power to move the big dudes around, and not so much power to move the little dudes around.

Either way, I want to see the RS125 vs. The Rocket III. That would be AMAtastic!

Yeah!! What's up with that shite, Purp??

CBRVFR tore me up on a custom SV 325!!!

evl_twn · 05-16-2008, 11:34 PM

AMA tech sure is doing an excellent job these days...

Updated: AMA Tech's Latest Crack-down Involves Requiring Wet-Race Fairing Drains At Infineon (Where Of Course AMA Does Not Race In The Rain) News Article // RoadracingWorld.com

Purpdust · 05-17-2008, 12:08 AM

That is just strange

Shenders1 · 05-17-2008, 01:49 PM

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Originally Posted by seamus

I think I'm going to reserve judgment until I see some more of the details.

Something's just "not right". There has to be more to the story as I don't think DMG would have just changed all the rules in a few weeks without some measured thought as to how the manufacturers would react.

That's exactly what I was thinking - But then I read a few interviews where several of the manufacturers said, essentially, that they weren't happy with this direction, and that DMG told them they were planning to do it anyway....

I'm baffled. Doesn't make much sense from any direction.

evl_twn · 05-26-2008, 09:28 PM

More about the new rules...

Soup :: Rules "Snapshot" For Daytona Superbike Class :: 05-26-2008

edit: odd, both the GSXR600 AND the GSXR750 are eligible. And yet they are trying to get away from the Suzuki Cup they have now?

CBR929RE · 05-27-2008, 12:45 PM

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Originally Posted by evl_twn

More about the new rules...

Soup :: Rules "Snapshot" For Daytona Superbike Class :: 05-26-2008

edit: odd, both the GSXR600 AND the GSXR750 are eligible. And yet they are trying to get away from the Suzuki Cup they have now?

alright I read most of it. sounds like a total load of crap. really sounds like Nascar. this is gonna be a disaster until its sold to someone else after a couple years of everyone pulling out.

Getsome · 05-27-2008, 02:17 PM

Damn, looks like another type of racing i will probably stop watching. Ditched Nascar as it got utterly stupid, and now the AMA racing is going to hell.

All that's left is WSB, MotoGP, AMA Prostar Drag racing(till they fuck it up to) and motocross/supercross/arenacross.

Oh the horror of allowing stupid people to take over these once great organizations.

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04-17-2008, 11:14 PM	#7
Hammer For Sale Join Date: 12-17-2006 Location: Indiana Age: 39 Bike(s): 05 Suzuki 600 Posts: 5,022 Images: 12	I agree that Suzuki needs to be knocked off of their highhorse in superbike, but to eliminate the 1000 all together is asinine. the 600'sare fairly equal between the big 4, so the racing will be closer. But that is not what people want to see, nor what the mfg's want to sell. That is why they dump millions of $$ into racing. Daytona (whatever they wat to call it) wants to make bike racing just like nascrap. But I doubt that is going to happen like they planned. __________________ SOME PEOPLE ARE LIKE SLINKIES. NOT REALLY GOOD FOR ANYTHING BUT THEY BRING A SMILE TO YOUR FACE WHEN PUSHED DOWN THE STAIRS

04-18-2008, 07:27 AM	#10
smoothrideronli www.calendartreats.com Join Date: 12-18-2006 Location: New York Age: 34 Bike(s): 2004 1000RR, 2008 1000RR Posts: 1,375	I wonder how the manufacturers will deal with this? AMA and WSB for the mostpart complemented each other allowing manufacturers to create a bike that meets both sets of rules. I wonder if AMA will get ignored by the manufacturers now? __________________

04-18-2008, 08:23 AM	#11
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Purpdust Join Date: 12-19-2006 Location: AB-Canada/Rome Italy Age: 33 Bike(s): gsxr 750 Posts: 1,456	Wow, this is different. __________________ GSXR 750 - Track CRF450X - Dirt CRF100F - Soon to be a Mini Motard

04-18-2008, 03:34 PM	#15
jewfzr Join Date: 02-21-2008 Location: washington state Age: 40 Bike(s): cbr900rr Posts: 13	This is just another AMA fiasco. I hope the the big 4 drop out and start or support another series. They went to Cal. and met with the big 4 and told them how it's going to be. The superbike/supersport formula works in every series through out the world and it can work here. They are trying to fix the wrong problem. I'm done with AMA from here on out.

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phobe circa 1970 Join Date: 12-17-2006 Age: 26 Bike(s): 600RR, 125R Posts: 4,644	Controlled power:weight ratio? Lame. __________________ Cum hoc, ergo propter hoc

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Repeater Join Date: 12-28-2006 Age: 33 Bike(s): F4I Posts: 527	Ummm SBK has a great following why not just copy what they have done. Crap crap crap!

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Purpdust Join Date: 12-19-2006 Location: AB-Canada/Rome Italy Age: 33 Bike(s): gsxr 750 Posts: 1,456	That is just strange __________________ GSXR 750 - Track CRF450X - Dirt CRF100F - Soon to be a Mini Motard

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evl_twn CAN CRUSHER Join Date: 12-13-2006 Location: Central Illinois Age: 40 Bike(s): worm gear Posts: 1,658	More about the new rules... Soup :: Rules "Snapshot" For Daytona Superbike Class :: 05-26-2008 edit: odd, both the GSXR600 AND the GSXR750 are eligible. And yet they are trying to get away from the Suzuki Cup they have now?

05-27-2008, 02:17 PM	#26
Getsome MSF RiderCoach Join Date: 12-27-2006 Location: Bristol, TN Age: 34 Bike(s): 05 CBR 1000RR Posts: 152	Damn, looks like another type of racing i will probably stop watching. Ditched Nascar as it got utterly stupid, and now the AMA racing is going to hell. All that's left is WSB, MotoGP, AMA Prostar Drag racing(till they fuck it up to) and motocross/supercross/arenacross. Oh the horror of allowing stupid people to take over these once great organizations. __________________ www.myspace.com/getsome122