AMA New AMA rules/class structures - UPDATED - USSB SERIES - Page 3

ND4SPD · 07-03-2008, 03:31 PM

DMG To Run World Superbike Rules For Headlining Class In 2009 AMA Superbike Series News Article // RoadracingWorld.com

luvtolean · 07-03-2008, 03:56 PM

So...

to kill momentum of other series announcements?

BobcatSig · 07-03-2008, 04:08 PM

And once again ... the plot thickens.

Though it looks like they've listened to the fans, racers, factories and enthusiasts. Let's see what sticks (and what doesn't). Good news, nonetheless, no?

CBR929RE · 07-04-2008, 01:14 AM

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Originally Posted by BobcatSig

And once again ... the plot thickens.

Though it looks like they've listened to the fans, racers, factories and enthusiasts. Let's see what sticks (and what doesn't). Good news, nonetheless, no?

I think what this shows is they might finally be pulling their heads out of their asses and maybe they're coming to the realization that they have absolutely no clue what they are doing.

MotoVegas · 07-04-2008, 01:26 AM

Welp, looks like the MIC/mfgs bluff worked... so far.

ND4SPD · 07-22-2008, 10:17 AM

DMG Announces 2009 AMA Pro Racing Plans News Article // RoadracingWorld.com

SheepOfBlue · 07-22-2008, 10:35 AM

I guess the pull to watch races will be even lower than the desire to tour next year at the sheep fold.

MotoVegas · 07-22-2008, 10:45 AM

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Originally Posted by ND4SPD

DMG Announces 2009 AMA Pro Racing Plans News Article // RoadracingWorld.com

So basically they renamed, Superbike, Superstock, and Formula Xtreme (with the biggest changes here being displacement ranges).

TornadoB8 · 07-22-2008, 12:20 PM

Here's my take on it. Factory Superbike=Superbike, American Superbike=Superstock, Daytona Superbike=FX.

CBR929RE · 07-22-2008, 01:12 PM

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Originally Posted by TornadoB8

Here's my take on it. Factory Superbike=Superbike, American Superbike=Superstock, Daytona Superbike=FX.

which is exactly why they should just keep the old names. Its retarded calling them all Superbikes.

SheepOfBlue · 07-22-2008, 01:28 PM

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Originally Posted by CBR929RE

which is exactly why they should just keep the old names. Its retarded calling them all Superbikes.

But it needs SUPER in the name

Heavy-Dee · 07-22-2008, 01:30 PM

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Originally Posted by TornadoB8

Here's my take on it. Factory Superbike=Superbike, American Superbike=Superstock, Daytona Superbike=FX.

Am I the only one that actually likes the current structure? I mean, I like the concept. The problem is the participation in each. I think they should make the 'stock classes off limits for the factories, and open the 'superbike classes up to whomever is dumb enough to spend the cash.

MotoVegas · 07-22-2008, 02:12 PM

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Originally Posted by TornadoB8

Here's my take on it. Factory Superbike=Superbike, American Superbike=Superstock, Daytona Superbike=FX.

Isn't that what I said?

BobcatSig · 07-22-2008, 03:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Heavy-Dee

Am I the only one that actually likes the current structure? I mean, I like the concept. The problem is the participation in each. I think they should make the 'stock classes off limits for the factories, and open the 'superbike classes up to whomever is dumb enough to spend the cash.

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Originally Posted by MotoVegas

Isn't that what I said?

You did. But in either case, I like the idea. Making the superstock race strictly a privateer effort on bone stock-ish bikes would make it a lot more fun. And since so many racers would be entering that class in the hopes of moving up to a factory superbike ride, the competition would be extremely fierce.

That way, we'd get out tricked out, uber-expensive superbikes from the factories and we'd get the very close, production based racing in a superstock, privateer effort.

Here's to hoping things shake out that way ...

Shenders1 · 07-22-2008, 09:59 PM

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Originally Posted by CBR929RE

which is exactly why they should just keep the old names. Its retarded calling them all Superbikes.

Agree. Once you've used up Super, where do you go? Ultrabikes for the Superstockers, maybe, and Ultra-Superbikes for the Factory rides.

Seriously, I don't much care what they call them - I'm just glad they came to their senses and kept the big bikes around.

TornadoB8 · 07-23-2008, 12:52 AM

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Originally Posted by MotoVegas

Isn't that what I said?

Oh yeah....so it is.

Prophet · 07-30-2008, 10:47 PM

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Originally Posted by BobcatSig

You did. But in either case, I like the idea. Making the superstock race strictly a privateer effort on bone stock-ish bikes would make it a lot more fun.
Here's to hoping things shake out that way ...

Here's the flaw in your logic. You'll still have "factory" efforts, just disguised. The old addage, "Run what ya brung" is long dead. You'll start having people running "factory parts" that are still only available to certain individuals who happen to be engineers.

In SCCA Stock class, you had the same thing. Supposed to be "stock" but it came down to who could run what sway bars, lighter parts etc. You then had factories complaining that they can't be competive so they have to run this or that part.

SCCA is damaged goods too. Unfortunately, there is no way around and no way to run a "stock" class, because they aren't all created equal. Only way to do this is to create a spec class. Meaning you use spec bikes from one manufacture and tires, fuel... etc.... etc.....

Its a loosing battle.

-JD-

ND4SPD · 08-04-2008, 09:54 AM

Soup :: Kawasaki, Honda & Yamaha Pulling Out of '09 US Racing? :: 08-02-2008

smoothrideronli · 08-04-2008, 12:15 PM

I thought that DMG backed down and that this was already decided...

Hammer · 08-04-2008, 10:01 PM

DMG still has not gotten their shit straight yet. IMO they rocked the boat too soon. They should have kept the same rules that AMA had and then in 2010 changed what they wanted to after they had some real world experience in Bike racing. The teams have to make plans, if DMG does not have their shit together yet.....the teams will make a move without DMG.

Hammer · 08-13-2008, 09:48 PM

Best thing he has done since he was put in charge.

Soup :: Edmondson: No Comment :: 08-12-2008

evl_twn · 08-15-2008, 10:37 PM

Soup :: No Factory Support :: 08-15-2008

smoothrideronli · 08-15-2008, 10:41 PM

Goodbye AMA...hello...whoever can fill that slot.

Repeater · 08-15-2008, 11:43 PM

Bummer. Next he'll have them only turning left.

fatmax · 08-19-2008, 04:01 AM

Edmonson was behind that NASB series - this all sounds like the same format - did it fold up? why? Sounded like he was trying to turn club racing into something similar to bracket racing @ the drag strip ...........
I think there's a possibility that Edmonson is on a suicide mission because of real or imagined injuries by the AMA. Pro racing gets destroyed with the France family blessing (elimination of competiton for tv time/revenue for NASCAR).....
Any more word on another factory - sponsored (MIC) series? What about WERA? Formula USA was really good when Kenny brought the 500's over from europe........... somebody should be running a format like that , now......

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07-22-2008, 10:17 AM	#66
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SheepOfBlue SRA President Join Date: 12-18-2006 Location: Huntsville, AL Age: 46 Bike(s): CBR1000RR, RC51, VT500FT Posts: 6,492	I guess the pull to watch races will be even lower than the desire to tour next year at the sheep fold. __________________ A man who carries a cat by the tail learns something he can learn in no other way

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BobcatSig Supplier of one-liners and pithy comments Join Date: 05-28-2008 Location: Tragic City, MT Age: 28 Bike(s): CBR 929rr Repsol Posts: 600	And once again ... the plot thickens. Though it looks like they've listened to the fans, racers, factories and enthusiasts. Let's see what sticks (and what doesn't). Good news, nonetheless, no?

07-22-2008, 12:20 PM	#69
TornadoB8 Join Date: 12-18-2006 Location: KC Age: 44 Bike(s): 2005 600RR Posts: 945	Here's my take on it. Factory Superbike=Superbike, American Superbike=Superstock, Daytona Superbike=FX. __________________ CCS#27 Dunlop, Vortex, Vesrah, Silkolene

08-04-2008, 09:54 AM	#78
ND4SPD I'm BATMAN!!! Join Date: 12-12-2006 Bike(s): Trek Posts: 8,138 Images: 25	Soup :: Kawasaki, Honda & Yamaha Pulling Out of '09 US Racing? :: 08-02-2008 __________________ "This is your life - are you who you want to be?" Learn all you need to know about Mac OS X

08-04-2008, 12:15 PM	#79
smoothrideronli www.calendartreats.com Join Date: 12-18-2006 Location: New York Age: 34 Bike(s): 2004 1000RR, 2008 1000RR Posts: 1,375	I thought that DMG backed down and that this was already decided... __________________

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Hammer For Sale Join Date: 12-17-2006 Location: Indiana Age: 39 Bike(s): 05 Suzuki 600 Posts: 5,022 Images: 12	DMG still has not gotten their shit straight yet. IMO they rocked the boat too soon. They should have kept the same rules that AMA had and then in 2010 changed what they wanted to after they had some real world experience in Bike racing. The teams have to make plans, if DMG does not have their shit together yet.....the teams will make a move without DMG. __________________ SOME PEOPLE ARE LIKE SLINKIES. NOT REALLY GOOD FOR ANYTHING BUT THEY BRING A SMILE TO YOUR FACE WHEN PUSHED DOWN THE STAIRS

08-13-2008, 09:48 PM	#81
Hammer For Sale Join Date: 12-17-2006 Location: Indiana Age: 39 Bike(s): 05 Suzuki 600 Posts: 5,022 Images: 12	Best thing he has done since he was put in charge. Soup :: Edmondson: No Comment :: 08-12-2008 __________________ SOME PEOPLE ARE LIKE SLINKIES. NOT REALLY GOOD FOR ANYTHING BUT THEY BRING A SMILE TO YOUR FACE WHEN PUSHED DOWN THE STAIRS

08-15-2008, 10:37 PM	#82
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08-15-2008, 10:41 PM	#83
smoothrideronli www.calendartreats.com Join Date: 12-18-2006 Location: New York Age: 34 Bike(s): 2004 1000RR, 2008 1000RR Posts: 1,375	Goodbye AMA...hello...whoever can fill that slot. __________________

08-15-2008, 11:43 PM	#84
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08-19-2008, 04:01 AM	#85
fatmax Join Date: 06-28-2008 Bike(s): Suzuki TLs Posts: 2	new rules Edmonson was behind that NASB series - this all sounds like the same format - did it fold up? why? Sounded like he was trying to turn club racing into something similar to bracket racing @ the drag strip ........... I think there's a possibility that Edmonson is on a suicide mission because of real or imagined injuries by the AMA. Pro racing gets destroyed with the France family blessing (elimination of competiton for tv time/revenue for NASCAR)..... Any more word on another factory - sponsored (MIC) series? What about WERA? Formula USA was really good when Kenny brought the 500's over from europe........... somebody should be running a format like that , now......