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Campus killings may restart gun violence debate - Yahoo! News

Idiots. How about you teach students how to use them so instead of everyone running for cover they take the matter into their own hands and stop the gunmen by the time the cops show up.

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luvtolean

This was how the first AWB passed. The current bill AWB, HR 1022, will get LOTS of attention as people use this event to push their political agenda of complete disarmament of civilians.

Don't confront the morality of the problem. Ignore how much easier it was to get guns 30 years ago, but this stuff wasn't happening...

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SheepOfBlue

First panic the masses then steal freedom. Common tactic among dictators.

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bda116

Already in production: Bowling for Hokies.
Guaranteed to be full of lies, holes and twists of words.

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phobe

Gun control would work if you were starting from scratch and there were no guns in circulation... With the billions already in circulation it is most definitely futile.

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luvtolean

What do you mean "work"?

What would you achieve if there were no guns in the world?

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JohnnyDiablo

I think Phoebe has a market share in delivering ninja swords to the brits.

jose_jimenez

I had a brit friend mention this bs today and I told him if it wasn't guns it would be crossbows or some other sort of weapon. It's not a gun's fault, a gun can't pull the trigger.

DoctorFell

I've been waiting for the rapier to make a comeback.

tigerblade

Exactly. If someone wants to kill people, they will find a tool to do so, be it a gun or something else.

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I prefer napalm.

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Bourne

We should make guns illegal.

Just like drugs.

That oughta solve the problem.

navydevildoc

We would then just have an IED riddled landscape, i.e. Iraq. Or maybe it's time to buy stock in companies that make crossbows.

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luvtolean

Before guns, humans were still murderous bastards.

Correlation, murderers frequently use guns, does not necessarily equal causation, guns are not necessarily why people kill.

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seamus

You should just change your sig to read "correlation does not equal causation".

Then you could just fill in a couple of key words and hit the submit button. Kind of like a semiauto posting.

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luvtolean

I had to replace order of magnitude with something.

Seriously, it's my goal in life to make people understand that. Think of how much bullshit we see in the press because people don't understand this basic premise.

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Purpdust

So it seems that we have a general feeling that the Gun did not kill these people but the person wielding the gun. (I do not know if this gun was legal purchased or not.)

So lets rephrase the Orginal Question, What has been done to prevent people from commiting these crimes? If you all feel that Gun laws are not the answer, then what is?


Side Note
Have any of you read/studied the correlation between the decline of morality in a society with the fall of an empier?

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bda116

Without taking away more freedoms, there is nothing that can be done about it.
And creating a more Orwellian atmosphere would likely add to these types of events.
People are going to freak out and go on a rampage on occasion. It happens. Always has, always will.

The best way to slow these events from happening is to quit glorifying them with so much media coverage. The fact that this will be in the news for months, be used for political plays and have a few movies made about it (yes, political usage) makes it more likely to happen in the future. It is accomplishing exactly what this guy set out to do. He now has his fame (or infamy). His name will always be known.

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phobe

Reduction of gun deaths. Like I said, it's a moot point.

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Bourne

BLAM!!

Thread complete.

SheepOfBlue

In the words of Johnny Carson:
If you have a woulda, shoulda and a coulda in one hand and a quarter in other, you can make a phone call.

Despite the propaganda and falsehoods part of the purpose of the second amendment was to provide an opportunity to open a jar of woopass on the government should it turn on the people.

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luvtolean

Who cares if they're gun deaths?

The problem is murder. And that's not a problem a gun creates. That's a moral problem.

Purp, it's always tempting to blame morality. It's tempting to blame the weapon. It's tempting to blame headlines we're inundated with concerning the current generation of college students being the most nihilistic ever, the "me" generation. I have read where some authors blame the fall of Rome on morality, others blame it on overextension, bad military moves, all sorts of stuff. Trying to point to one factor will always end with an imperfect argument IMO.

Did Vichy France fall because Germany was better militarily? If Germany was better, why were they better? Was it internal political turmoil due to downright nasty politics? Was it the fact they'd lost over 2 million in the grinder of WWI and just simply hadn't recovered from it? Was it a general drop in morality? All are mentioned in The Collapse of the Third Republic written by Shirer who was actually there. Highly recommended reading, and a much better book for people living in a democracy to understand than his more famous one, The Rise and Fall of the Third Reich.

I think the lesson of Collapse was really how a country can survive bad leaders for a long time, but eventually a significant event will come along and the weakness will be exploited by an enemy. There is no way in hell, from a military perspective, Hitler should've beaten the French. And he wouldn't have, had the French shown their elan of WWI.

It's a very complicated problem, and one thing's for sure, it won't be solved in a tidy 2 minute soundbite, or even in one tidy term of office for our policiticians.

But banning guns...that's a very safe bet. WHEN it doesn't work, the politicians simply say the problem was they didn't ban enough while on TV in front of a group of cops all knowing it's bullshit, but hoping they can get some cushy appointment, with an AK-47 in hand, spewing downright lies about the weapon makes for great copy though.

Again, it ignores the fundamental fact. Back when .22 LR weapons didn't even have serial numbers, and any kid could walk into the local hardware store and buy one, and openly walk around in public with it loaded, kids weren't going to school and executing classmates. Something has changed, and I don't know what it is.

I do have ideas though...

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DoctorFell

Reality television.

oldfogey

For the record, I saw all that guns were banned on the Virginia Tech campus.

So one issue, as mentioned earlier, is whether a total ban can be imposed where there is already a huge stock of guns in place, even were there to be agreement a ban were in principle correct.

One question I do think the gun supporters need to answer when they say it's not the weapon but the user is the fact that over thirty people were killed by one person with one [edit: two weapons] weapon. I think a knife in the same hands would have killed fewer, and a bomb requires pre-meditation when many of these killings are male anger blow-offs.

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seamus

The answer is muzzle loading muskets.

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