CBRVFR

An unemployed man accused of opening fire with a shotgun and killing two people at a Unitarian church apparently targeted the congregation out of hatred for its liberal social policies, police said Monday.

Police: Man shot churchgoers over liberal views

• This is what happens when we don't tell people who demonize their political opponents to shut the fuck up.
• This is what happens in a country whose leaders intentionally practice divisive politics.
• This is what happens when people listen unquestioningly to manipulative, cynical propagandists who are happy to destroy the idea of civility and tolerance in our civic life for money.

Obviously, this guy was insane, not to mention totally lacking a sense of irony. His unemployment and food stamp benefits were running out and it's the LIBERAL'S fault? Fuck, without them, he'd have been allowed to starve on the street months ago.

There are probably people on the left who are just as guilty - I promise to tell them to shut the fuck up too. But my tolerance for this type of intolerance is used up.

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luvtolean

Saw this in the AM, tragic.

Why does this fire you up in regards to politics though? I don't like much of the divisive nature of politics in this country either, but I see this as a loser wanting to blame someone for his shit life.

Obviously it wasn't his fault, but I guess that kind of thinking is kind of ironic for a liberal hater though too isn't it.

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CBRVFR

You were expecting maybe an attack on the second amendment?

Seriously, I think that when our so called leaders scapegoat and demonize their opponents, they ought to be held to account for that. When media personalities do the same thing, they should be shunned and their sources of money cut off. They have the right to that expression - it doesn't mean they have to profit from it.

But instead, we pick sides, and play the game as presented by these 'leaders', according to their limiting and artificial rules, with no accommodation for middle ground, no tolerance for any expression that conflicts with political dogma, without listening to any ideas that challenge. It's depressing.

The fuckheads who filled this guy's addled brain with this sort of directed hatred are culpable in these deaths; morally, if not legally.

I don't know how many times we have to see the culmination of this kind of poisonous, self-serving politics. Better to challenge it now than wait until the shit really hits the fan on a bigger scale.

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luvtolean

Not at all actually (on the second thing, at least from you )

I still think you're diving in deep. He was a WAFL who didn't care enough to change it, looking for someone to blame.

I have no doubt he hated "liberals", but I also think he was doing that shooting, liberals to blame or not.

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seamus

Aren't you saying here that the guy himself isn't to blame?

You can't go two years without a job unless you don't want a job. That fact alone leads more to this guy's character than anything else written about him so far.

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Repeater

Interesting thing an aussi friend said "yea we have barley any homless and i get taxed 45 % (even more above 100k) , but that guy i help pay for doing nothing doesn't rob or cause problems in my country. And hell what do i need that much money for i can eat and have a good time mate. The best thing is is i ever loose my job i know i am not gonna be eaten out of a can on the street." He also mentioned when he made 00 dollars he broke his leg and paid nothing!

Maybe it is time for america to care for it's people and not to care so much for it's interests for the bottom dollar. All the outsourcing we have done has crippled our economy in the surge for cheaper prices. These prices directly put the consumers of these products out of work. China has a middle class of 400million the us has a population of 324 or so. Fuck them we need to get our shit together.


oh and this guy was a nutter.

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luvtolean

Dude...have you ever been to China?

They have more than five times the people, and less than half our GDP. My experience is your average welfare recipient in the US has a standard of living as high, or higher than your "middle class" Chinese.

Here, read this and pay attention, should give you a bit of balance.

washingtonpost.com

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Baketech

He was mentally ill, case closed...

Making this a political argument (from any PoV) is by definition "devisive politics"....

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SheepOfBlue

This was a sick hateful mean and irrational person I could give a #$%@ about his 'reason'. Listening to his reason would be like if I shot Hammer because I hate Suzuki then asking me what I dislike about Suzuki. No it was not a politicians fault, no it was not a guns fault, no it was not a religions fault, no it was not the parisioners fault. It was a evil and bitter b#$%^d who was likely in exactly the poor position he was due to his mean and evil ways.

Oh and you are thinking he was bitter because of the politicians and hearing it all day.... then explain Richard I am sure he was very informed on current events/politics and exposed to all the BS coming from the idiot box, as an engineer he was likely very well read (most of us ARE geeks) yet he was 100% this guys opposite. Oh and in hard times he would have remained 100% this guys opposite.

This guy is evil end of story.

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ND4SPD

I'm more than happy to help my fellow man on my own accord. I have a serious problem with the government taking the money I earn to establish more corrupt social programs. Our government is already too big and costing us more and more each year. There is hardly ever any talk of cutting budgets or downsizing. We just get taxed more and more every year.

You start giving people handouts, they get lazy and expect it. The only reason ANY healthy, able bodied person in this country is unemployed is because they choose to be.

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TAZ

...right. And this is why I simply can't support Democrats.

My stepdaughter is falling right into the mold. She's lazy; she was supposed to get a summer job and STILL does not have one, with only ~3 weeks left until school starts. She knows Mom or grandpa will give her money if she needs it. She also thinks it would be groovy if we all gave to the poor, since they don't have anything for themselves. She would love to "change the world", but doesn't have the motivation or direction to do a thing. So a windbag like Obama, with every ninth or tenth word out of his lips being "change", sounds pretty attractive to her...and lots of other lazy youts (did you say "youts"?) in our formerly great land.

I try to show her the light, but a sense of entitlement is hard to overcome. I weep for the future.

Bourne

Wow.

You know, I hate divisive politics as much as you do, but this is going a wee bit too far, IMO. I say that if you want this to remain a free country you have to fully adhere to the Second Amendment, and demanding that funding for ANY media outlet be cut off is doing anything but.



+1,000,000,000!

CBRVFR

I'm sure you meant to reference the first amendment, and I'm suggesting that if people decided to ignore the salacious rantings of lunatic pundits, then the sponsors would go elsewhere. In other words, if we, as consumers of media took more responsibility for civil discourse, these jerks would go away.

It's a pipe dream.

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Bourne

First indeed, my apologies. Got a little mixed up between guns and gab.

Look, we agree. It just seemed as though you were looking to mandate the right to supress media that you feel feeds into the divisive nature that has taken over our country.

SheepOfBlue

Is it? The birth of talk radio is largely due to the extreme left tilt of the big three networks which are getting smaller. CNN had an effect on news as has FOX. Then add in the internet which prevented the forged Bush documents from get full credibility from Dan Rather (I think he was the one I don't watch network news). The biggest threat is from many in government who want to shut down all the public discourse happening now (like this). Sadly the toads that want that are from both parties as it is about incumbancy.

On a different front look at the death spiral of most newspapers. Media and news is changing fast and in my opinion becoming more available to the common man.

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CBRVFR

I probably wasn't being clear.

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"...the TV also never took away the screwdriver and shoved it up the repairman's ass."

Our own Mr.2nd Amendment, explaining the difference. Perfectly.

Rich Herald, the Gentle Giant

CBRVFR

Who might that be? If you don't think they're listening in...

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"...the TV also never took away the screwdriver and shoved it up the repairman's ass."

Our own Mr.2nd Amendment, explaining the difference. Perfectly.

Rich Herald, the Gentle Giant

Bourne

Nice one.

SheepOfBlue

Well let's see there is a number of democrats in office that currently are promoting the "Fairness Doctrine" and the Republican presidential candidate passed a large bill the restricts political speech (though he did give a pass to SOME of the news media). Those are just the easy examples.

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Bourne

I think it comes down more to the Savage/Hannity types who consistently shout down anybody who has a differing opinion.

Not that the left can be excused since they'd like to see both of those cats taken off the air by force.

seamus

Want me to send you one of my boots?

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TAZ

Oh, I have thought of that, but I'm sure one of my boots would do just as well. Thanks for the offer, though!