To the people of the United States

ND4SPD · 07-14-2008, 02:58 PM

Tom Mullen's Blog

phobe · 07-14-2008, 03:25 PM

Must be blogging from the Gulch.

CBRVFR · 07-14-2008, 03:49 PM

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Our Constitution was written to protect me from the majority.

And from that asinine premise, the rest follows...

luvtolean · 07-14-2008, 03:58 PM

It reads pretty much like boilerplate libertarian platform writing/ranting.

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Originally Posted by CBRVFR

And from that asinine premise, the rest follows...

Hmmm...I can't decide whether I agree with you that it is asinine, but why do you think so?

CBRVFR · 07-14-2008, 04:16 PM

I'd say the Constitution is written more to establish the rights of citizens against the tyranny of rulers.

While individual rights (real and implied) are specified, it doesn't exactly provide for the right of a citizen to opt out of the decisions that his republic-style elected government has undertaken.

While it is impossible to disagree with all of his sentiment, there's a ton of hyperbole that comes from the false premise that the Republic was formed in order that he would get to do whatever the fuck he wants.

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It has no right to do anything beyond protecting my life and my freedom

OK, we'll be right over.

luvtolean · 07-14-2008, 05:21 PM

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Originally Posted by CBRVFR

I'd say the Constitution is written more to establish the rights of citizens against the tyranny of rulers.

While individual rights (real and implied) are specified, it doesn't exactly provide for the right of a citizen to opt out of the decisions that his republic-style elected government has undertaken.

That sounds about right.

Our culture is individualistic to the extreme, but they certainly also expect the citizen to obey the laws of the land.

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While it is impossible to disagree with all of his sentiment, there's a ton of hyperbole that comes from the false premise that the Republic was formed in order that he would get to do whatever the fuck he wants.

He's a libertarian idealist. Like any idealist, hyperbole is often used to make a point...

CBRVFR · 07-14-2008, 06:09 PM

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Originally Posted by luvtolean

He's a libertarian idealist. Like any idealist, hyperbole is often used to make a point...

I never, ever, ever do that. Uh-uh - Not in a million zillion years.

phobe · 07-14-2008, 06:23 PM

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Originally Posted by CBRVFR

I never, ever, ever do that. Uh-uh - Not in a million zillion years.

That's the stupidest thing I've ever heard.

nhfirefighter13 · 07-14-2008, 06:59 PM

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Originally Posted by phobiaphobe

That's the stupidest thing I've ever heard.

Yeah. Isn't is supposed to be GAzillion?

seamus · 07-14-2008, 07:38 PM

Woe unto Tom for he is so repressed he's able to spend time writing a blog.

Maybe if he spent some time doing some kind of civil service instead of lip service, someone other than the two people who heard him verbally reiterate his own diatribe might take him seriously.

Start with the man in the mirror, Tom.

SheepOfBlue · 07-14-2008, 07:46 PM

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Originally Posted by CBRVFR

I'd say the Constitution is written more to establish the rights of citizens against the tyranny of rulers.

While individual rights (real and implied) are specified, it doesn't exactly provide for the right of a citizen to opt out of the decisions that his republic-style elected government has undertaken.

While it is impossible to disagree with all of his sentiment, there's a ton of hyperbole that comes from the false premise that the Republic was formed in order that he would get to do whatever the fuck he wants.

OK, we'll be right over.

I mostly agree but would frame it slightly different. The constitution was written to loan a limited amount of power (and thus freedoms) in a hope that the benefit would out weigh the loss. The question is not whether he can opt out but rather did the government exceed its limits (it frequently has). Now where is that sheep in a tin foil hat smiley........

phobe · 07-14-2008, 08:09 PM

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Originally Posted by seamus

Woe unto Tom for he is so repressed he's able to spend time writing a blog..

Bet you a worthless paper Benjamin that he's collecting welfare.

phobe · 07-14-2008, 08:22 PM

Hehe check the comments.

seamus · 07-14-2008, 08:22 PM

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Originally Posted by phobiaphobe

Bet you a worthless paper Benjamin that he's collecting welfare.

I don't have a Benjamin to spare on a sure-loss like that bet.

phobe · 07-14-2008, 08:24 PM

How bout a bottle of Jack?

seamus · 07-14-2008, 08:32 PM

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Originally Posted by phobiaphobe

How bout a bottle of Jack?

Let me think.

Not cold.

Not dead.

No pry bar in sight.

How bout CAD$1 v US$1.50? That's an even bet.

phobe · 07-15-2008, 10:30 AM

Done.

CBRVFR · 07-15-2008, 11:32 AM

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Originally Posted by SheepOfBlue

The constitution was written to loan a limited amount of power (and thus freedoms) in a hope that the benefit would out weigh the loss. .......

Where do you get this stuff?

The Constitution should be read in light of the Declaration of Independence -

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We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty, and the pursuit of Happiness. That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men,
deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed.

I don't see how anyone could come to the conclusion that the Framers thought that Liberty was on loan by the government.

SheepOfBlue · 07-15-2008, 12:45 PM

Seems to say exactly what I did. Government is created for mutual protection at a cost of freedoms. That same government is only valid by consent (ie the Constitution) Thus the limited powers enumerated within that consent document are valid and binding until consent is withdrawn by consensus. Power exercised outside of the consent document are invalid.
We already had the G__ Given rights which evil tries to take, government does not grant us anything. Most of the time government takes "are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights"

Maybe you need tinfoil to filter out the cosmic rays

abtech · 07-15-2008, 02:51 PM

None of this matters at all since no one here will still be around in 75 years. We're all just marking time, so quit your damn whining . . .

SheepOfBlue · 07-15-2008, 03:07 PM

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Originally Posted by abtech

None of this matters at all since no one here will still be around in 75 years. We're all just marking time, so quit your damn whining . . .

Speak for yourself I think 175 and still riding is possible

seamus · 07-15-2008, 07:49 PM

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Originally Posted by phobiaphobe

Done.

I clicked on the link to post up and ask him if he was on welfare and someone already did.

luvtolean · 07-15-2008, 08:27 PM

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Originally Posted by seamus

I clicked on the link to post up and ask him if he was on welfare and someone already did.

I thought it was pretty interesting his name was fearoffear or something....

CBRVFR · 07-15-2008, 10:43 PM

Someone also asked him if he was institutionalized..

But it was removed!

MotoVegas · 07-16-2008, 01:44 AM

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Originally Posted by SheepOfBlue

Government is created for mutual protection at a cost of freedoms.

Close. More accurately, I think you could say positive law is created for mutual protection at the expense of individual freedoms; government is charged with enacting and enforcing said laws.

07-14-2008, 02:58 PM	#1
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seamus is feelin alright Join Date: 12-13-2006 Location: Rocket City Age: 34 Bike(s): 1KRR; VFR; FMX650 Posts: 5,546	Woe unto Tom for he is so repressed he's able to spend time writing a blog. Maybe if he spent some time doing some kind of civil service instead of lip service, someone other than the two people who heard him verbally reiterate his own diatribe might take him seriously. Start with the man in the mirror, Tom. __________________ Ducit Amor Patriae Richard Herald, The Gentle Giant The nation that makes a great distinction between its scholars and its warriors will have its thinking done by cowards and its fighting done by fools. --- Thucydides

07-14-2008, 08:22 PM	#13
phobe circa 1970 Join Date: 12-17-2006 Age: 26 Bike(s): 600RR, 125R Posts: 4,644	Hehe check the comments. __________________ Cum hoc, ergo propter hoc

07-14-2008, 08:24 PM	#15
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07-15-2008, 10:30 AM	#17
phobe circa 1970 Join Date: 12-17-2006 Age: 26 Bike(s): 600RR, 125R Posts: 4,644	Done. __________________ Cum hoc, ergo propter hoc

07-15-2008, 12:45 PM	#19
SheepOfBlue SRA President Join Date: 12-18-2006 Location: Huntsville, AL Age: 46 Bike(s): CBR1000RR, RC51, VT500FT Posts: 6,492	Seems to say exactly what I did. Government is created for mutual protection at a cost of freedoms. That same government is only valid by consent (ie the Constitution) Thus the limited powers enumerated within that consent document are valid and binding until consent is withdrawn by consensus. Power exercised outside of the consent document are invalid. We already had the G__ Given rights which evil tries to take, government does not grant us anything. Most of the time government takes "are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights" Maybe you need tinfoil to filter out the cosmic rays __________________ A man who carries a cat by the tail learns something he can learn in no other way

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abtech Believe Join Date: 12-14-2006 Age: 58 Bike(s): 66 Puch Scrambler Posts: 3,357	None of this matters at all since no one here will still be around in 75 years. We're all just marking time, so quit your damn whining . . . __________________ Now in stereo AAA doesn't only refer to the Auto Club . . . and Seamus is awesome

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