Pickens Plan

Baketech · 07-08-2008, 05:45 PM

PickensPlan

Talk amongst yourselves...

luvtolean · 07-08-2008, 05:47 PM

More hot air.

My thought? That smart oil man knows the government wastes a hell of a lot more welfare money to wind than oil, and that's saying something!

The-Undertaker · 07-08-2008, 06:03 PM

June 08 Businessweek makes him out to be a water man also.

figment · 07-10-2008, 03:13 PM

warning! a bit of a ramble follows:

We went back to Odessa a few weeks ago to attend another funeral. It's a long drive, almost halfway to California...Odessa is OIL. Parking lots are 99% pickup trucks and the tap-water is undrinkable due to salt water and other pollution from decades of drilling. The town always has been the bleakest I've ever seen, like someone who only knew how to paint in faded beige, a bleakness that is accentuated by harsh sunlight in zero humidity.

On the way there off 20, there were hundreds and hundreds of windmills in east-to-west lines passing off the northern and southern horizons for what seemed like many miles.

luvtolean · 07-10-2008, 03:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by figment

On the way there off 20, there were hundreds and hundreds of windmills in east-to-west lines passing off the northern and southern horizons for what seemed like many miles.

Wonder how many of those were built without heavy subsidy money?

I have family who invested in one of the really big windmill projects here in California, and it had very little to do with the ROI of the project on it's own...also interesting no new areas have been developed here since the government reneged on their dole in that project. (Which happened once that previous oil crisis was a memory)

figment · 07-10-2008, 04:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by luvtolean

Wonder how many of those were built without heavy subsidy money?

no clue, but my guess is it might take a few lunches to find out...

phobe · 07-10-2008, 04:40 PM

That $700 billion a year to buy foreign oil gets used up pretty quick when you start buying windmills. 22% of the pie seems pretty ambitious.

Who will pay for it?

SheepOfBlue · 07-17-2008, 05:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by phobiaphobe

That $700 billion a year to buy foreign oil gets used up pretty quick when you start buying windmills. 22% of the pie seems pretty ambitious.

Who will pay for it?

Us

ND4SPD · 07-26-2008, 11:34 AM

T Boone Pickens Plan for Mesa Water - Pickens on Wind and Drought - Popular Mechanics

JohnnyDiablo · 07-26-2008, 12:19 PM

From all those pictures I get the idea I am going to have to drive real fast in a car with a propeller mounted to the roof generating energy.

I know what this save the planet stuff is really about.
Merchants of misery! Donate all your cash to Al Gore.

https://secure.wecansolveit.org/page...ute/contribute

luvtolean · 07-26-2008, 02:56 PM

I sat next to a Navy guy on a plane today who wants to be the Bill Gates of solar.

I pointed out solar panels are negative margins when the government isn't handing out welfare and he launched into a diatribe about, well all we really need is a windmill in every yard. They only have to be 83' up.

phobe · 07-26-2008, 02:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JohnnyDiablo

From all those pictures I get the idea I am going to have to drive real fast in a car with a propeller mounted to the roof generating energy.

Sweet! A wind hybrid! Perpetual motion!

ND4SPD · 11-12-2008, 03:56 PM

Pickens' wind plan hits snag - Nov. 12, 2008

seamus · 11-12-2008, 09:59 PM

So far, the only people I've seen come out in favor of Pickens' Plan are the companies who stand to gain from the switches.

The CNG commercial gets me the most because it even flashes the fact that the guy proposing the switch is CEO of one of the largest CNG companies in the US.

07-08-2008, 05:45 PM	#1
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07-08-2008, 05:47 PM	#2
luvtolean Join Date: 12-13-2006 Location: SF Bay Area, CA Bike(s): 2008 BMW GS-A Posts: 6,396	More hot air. My thought? That smart oil man knows the government wastes a hell of a lot more welfare money to wind than oil, and that's saying something! __________________ The facility and excess of law-making seem to be the diseases to which are governments are most liable.- James Madison

07-10-2008, 03:13 PM	#4
figment riki-tik! Join Date: 02-03-2007 Location: St. Paul, Texas Age: 50 Bike(s): Yamaha WR250X Posts: 907	warning! a bit of a ramble follows: We went back to Odessa a few weeks ago to attend another funeral. It's a long drive, almost halfway to California...Odessa is OIL. Parking lots are 99% pickup trucks and the tap-water is undrinkable due to salt water and other pollution from decades of drilling. The town always has been the bleakest I've ever seen, like someone who only knew how to paint in faded beige, a bleakness that is accentuated by harsh sunlight in zero humidity. On the way there off 20, there were hundreds and hundreds of windmills in east-to-west lines passing off the northern and southern horizons for what seemed like many miles. __________________ "Einstein, don't tell God what to do with His dice". - Bohr P = \| an \| 2

07-10-2008, 04:40 PM	#7
phobe circa 1970 Join Date: 12-17-2006 Age: 26 Bike(s): 600RR, 125R Posts: 4,644	That $700 billion a year to buy foreign oil gets used up pretty quick when you start buying windmills. 22% of the pie seems pretty ambitious. Who will pay for it? __________________ Cum hoc, ergo propter hoc

07-26-2008, 11:34 AM	#9
ND4SPD I'm BATMAN!!! Join Date: 12-12-2006 Bike(s): Trek Posts: 8,138 Images: 25	T Boone Pickens Plan for Mesa Water - Pickens on Wind and Drought - Popular Mechanics __________________ "This is your life - are you who you want to be?" Learn all you need to know about Mac OS X

07-08-2008, 06:03 PM	#3
The-Undertaker Join Date: 12-28-2006 Age: 37 Bike(s): Honda 929, Yamaha TZ 250 Posts: 139	June 08 Businessweek makes him out to be a water man also.

07-26-2008, 12:19 PM	#10
JohnnyDiablo Commuter Express! Join Date: 12-18-2006 Location: Los Angeles Age: 34 Bike(s): 2008 CBR1000RR Posts: 979	From all those pictures I get the idea I am going to have to drive real fast in a car with a propeller mounted to the roof generating energy. I know what this save the planet stuff is really about. Merchants of misery! Donate all your cash to Al Gore. https://secure.wecansolveit.org/page...ute/contribute __________________ "I wont have to worry about putting gas in my car, I won't have to worry about paying my mortgage.. You know, If I help him, he's gonna help me."

07-26-2008, 02:56 PM	#11
luvtolean Join Date: 12-13-2006 Location: SF Bay Area, CA Bike(s): 2008 BMW GS-A Posts: 6,396	I sat next to a Navy guy on a plane today who wants to be the Bill Gates of solar. I pointed out solar panels are negative margins when the government isn't handing out welfare and he launched into a diatribe about, well all we really need is a windmill in every yard. They only have to be 83' up. __________________ The facility and excess of law-making seem to be the diseases to which are governments are most liable.- James Madison

11-12-2008, 03:56 PM	#13
ND4SPD I'm BATMAN!!! Join Date: 12-12-2006 Bike(s): Trek Posts: 8,138 Images: 25	Pickens' wind plan hits snag - Nov. 12, 2008 __________________ "This is your life - are you who you want to be?" Learn all you need to know about Mac OS X

11-12-2008, 09:59 PM	#14
seamus is feelin alright Join Date: 12-13-2006 Location: Rocket City Age: 34 Bike(s): 1KRR; VFR; FMX650 Posts: 5,546	So far, the only people I've seen come out in favor of Pickens' Plan are the companies who stand to gain from the switches. The CNG commercial gets me the most because it even flashes the fact that the guy proposing the switch is CEO of one of the largest CNG companies in the US. __________________ Ducit Amor Patriae Richard Herald, The Gentle Giant The nation that makes a great distinction between its scholars and its warriors will have its thinking done by cowards and its fighting done by fools. --- Thucydides

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