luvtolean

Left lacks leverage to stop Obama's rightward tack - Yahoo! News

Then of course, deny deny deny your flip-flopping, even as you do it.

Obama denies shifting to reach political center - Yahoo! News

Politics as usual. But what I will give the Obama campaign, they have changed! the speed at which campaigns respond to criticism. Shocking quickness.

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bwhip

Leading to greater voter indifference. What a shame.

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luvtolean

Yeah, we're so let down by these scoundrels.

You want to hear about indifference? In the nation's most populous state, and largest economy, and thus highest number of electoral votes, McCain has exactly one paid staffer. I'll bet Obama's effort is also minimlal, just a token force to make sure CA Democrats aren't offended.

Wonder how many they will each have in Ohio?

Why do I as a Californian even bother to vote? The candidates and parties themselves don't believe it matters.

http://elections.foxnews.com/2008/07...college-votes/

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BobcatSig

And so encompasses the voter apathy, disinterest and disinformation that's peddled.

CBRVFR

This is the most shocking evidence of all!!!

Andy Borowitz: Liberal Bloggers Accuse Obama of Trying to Win Election - Politics on The Huffington Post

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luvtolean

That's the best article I've seen justifying plain ol' pandering yet!

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CBRVFR

Indifference? I bet this election will produce the highest turnout of any in our history by several million -

Again, that's McCain putting his resources where they will do the most good - He can claim to be competitive in California for free, but there's no point in wasting millions in a losing cause.

Capturing the middle is where the victory lies for either candidate. McCain's rep as a near-independent should make him the favorite in that segment, but the rightmost base of the GOP, as well as the conservative talking heads and the Bushies in his campaign are keeping him 'honest' and have prevented him from diverting from the True Path and competing for the independents.

Obama's situation is different -He can still piss off much of the left wing and keep them in the fold, especially when McCain isn't able to disavow an unpopular president. The question is whether he can get enough in the middle. The numbers in some formerly red states are shockingly close. That's where McCAin needs to spend the bucks.

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luvtolean

I agree. But in essence it means, no point in voting in California, the winner is chosen. As usual. That leads to indifference.

Bush doesn't control McCain, that's Obama's talking point, not the reality.

It's a two party system. If you're not in the middle, there is no acceptable alternative. Neocons will still vote McCain though he's passed legislation with Teddy Kennedy, just as Obama's pandering moves his message centrist from the entitlement liberal he is, he'll still carry liberal votes.

The middle is his to lose so he will spend his bucks there. This is why I mention Ohio.

It is outrageous that the most populous state is a "given" on election day. I think this is a sign the "system" needs fixing, not that either candidate has the wrong strategy.

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CBRVFR

Tell that to the democrats who ran for governor... Anything can happen in an election. Nixon won there, as did Reagan. And yes, I know they were 'from there.'



That's not what I'm saying. I'm saying that the 'real conservatives' aren't going to let McCain stray far from the conservative message which Bush has consistently espoused.(when he can get help reading all the big words.) If McCain (vintage 2000) could say what he probably feels about Bush, he'd get the middle for sure, but lose the right.

It is tragic for him that Mike Murphy will not be leading his campaign. It means he is likely to be pinned to the right by his own guys as much as by the dems, who never seem to run out of pictures of Bush and McCain embracing tenderly.

I think neither party can be comfortable with that assessment. There are many Clintonians who won't be voting for Barack, and some undetermined number of Dobson-disciples and hard-line conservatives who can't live with McCain. The 'alternative' for the unhappy party hacks is to vote for Barr, or write in Clinton, or to stay home and get drunk.

Be careful what you wish for.. the electoral college is a hallmark of a federal system - A straight popular vote disenfranchises the smaller states.

California might not be in play this time, but it has been in the past and will be again.

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luvtolean

Lessee, by (R) governor you mean that centrist, immigrant, movie star Kennedy guy?

That's the vocal minority. Obama already bought the Clintons, so he'll get most of them, and "hard-liners" certainly are at least smart enough to realize, a (D) pres, with Comrade Pelosi and a (D) Congress and a tenuous Supreme Court isn't exactly going to lead to the place their idealism promises.

What is it you think I am wishing for? I didn't say direct democracy was the answer. I happen to think winner take all could be looked at. I think we could modify the electoral college to somehow allow minority districts (of which there are several here), to have a voice.

This would put places that should be strongly campaigned in by the candidates due to their influence and importance, but aren't, back in play.

Florida being more important to campaigns than California or Massachusetts isn't exactly an ideal situation.

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