Bill# S.2191: America's Climate Security Act of 2007

Baketech · 06-06-2008, 06:13 AM

It's not looking like it will pass through the Senate, and even if it does, Bush has promised a veto...but what say ye?

Should this bill pass, should it fail, or should it wait until the Dems control the executive...

Congress.org - Current Legislation

Note, there are options there to oppose/support the bill on the website.

BizJetGuy · 06-06-2008, 06:55 AM

Strongly oppose. I do not support Cap and Trade programs, especially for such a dark art as "carbon marketing".

luvtolean · 06-06-2008, 10:28 AM

We already have such a thing in California.

Industry can buy old cars and crush them rather than fix their plants. AKA, credit trading.

I know people who've made a pile of money selling junk cars, which are not on the road polluting anyway, for emissions credits. Of course, the dirty factories just keep on chugging.

In the current politically charged environment around this topic, I think any legislation such as this is more likely to do more long-term harm than help.

EDIT: Also, just the stupid, asinine, bullshit fucking name of this bill means under no circumstances would I ever support it.

SheepOfBlue · 06-06-2008, 10:50 AM

Communism and central control at its finest. Of course we should all submit to the wisdom in DC.

luvtolean · 06-06-2008, 10:55 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SheepOfBlue

Communism and central control at its finest. Of course we should all submit to the wisdom in DC.

Who else can do such a thing though?

I am certainly a proponent of clean air, clean water and conservation.

SheepOfBlue · 06-06-2008, 12:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by luvtolean

Who else can do such a thing though?

I am certainly a proponent of clean air, clean water and conservation.

Carbon tax will not do that in ANY way. What it will do is allow a bureaucrat to determine which business gets to do how much and at what cost.

I am all for good environment but to provide an example of how stupid the 'environmentalist' movement has become check into Smoky Mountain National Park. Yep high ozone there.... ummm it was called the SMOKY mountains long before cars

Further there is pine trees that contribute to ozone. That and FAR worse is what is going on. This is NOT about clean environment it is about centralized control of YOUR freedom (in other words TAKING your freedom)

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06-06-2008, 06:13 AM	#1
Baketech "Able was I ere I saw Elba..." Join Date: 12-14-2006 Bike(s): VFR800 - CBR929 - VFR800 Posts: 2,658	Bill# S.2191: America's Climate Security Act of 2007 It's not looking like it will pass through the Senate, and even if it does, Bush has promised a veto...but what say ye? Should this bill pass, should it fail, or should it wait until the Dems control the executive... Congress.org - Current Legislation Note, there are options there to oppose/support the bill on the website. __________________ "Ten times more charming than that Arnold on Green Acres..."

06-06-2008, 06:55 AM	#2
BizJetGuy American Pikey Join Date: 12-18-2006 Location: Indiana Age: 40 Bike(s): Aprilia RST 1000 Posts: 1,367	Strongly oppose. I do not support Cap and Trade programs, especially for such a dark art as "carbon marketing". __________________ Horn not working - watch for finger

06-06-2008, 10:28 AM	#3
luvtolean Join Date: 12-13-2006 Location: SF Bay Area, CA Bike(s): 2008 BMW GS-A Posts: 8,555	We already have such a thing in California. Industry can buy old cars and crush them rather than fix their plants. AKA, credit trading. I know people who've made a pile of money selling junk cars, which are not on the road polluting anyway, for emissions credits. Of course, the dirty factories just keep on chugging. In the current politically charged environment around this topic, I think any legislation such as this is more likely to do more long-term harm than help. EDIT: Also, just the stupid, asinine, bullshit fucking name of this bill means under no circumstances would I ever support it. __________________ You got to know, you got to know, the winners say GO-GO-GO...I got no patience, so sick of complacence... -Rage Against the Machine Last edited by luvtolean; 06-06-2008 at 10:34 AM..

06-06-2008, 10:50 AM	#4
SheepOfBlue Ewe need to know braking do ewe? Join Date: 12-18-2006 Location: Huntsville, AL Age: 47 Bike(s): CBR1000RR, RC51, VT500FT Posts: 8,734	Communism and central control at its finest. Of course we should all submit to the wisdom in DC. __________________ Not a crop circle creator

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