I've heard of that...one of the guys from NESBA is involved with it. They were giving folks a free tankful at some NESBA events to try.
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Brad: Interested in your fuel. What can you tell us about the formulation? Is it oxygenated? Your website doesn't say much about what's in it, though the 'refined poultry products' blurb sure caught my attention.
There is no oxygenation or corrosive compounds in the fuel. Power is derived through gained efficiency from top end lubrication as well as burning faster and more completely than gasoline. This is also a huge contributor to our lower emissions.
Last edited by BW_Fuel_Company; 02-14-2010 at 05:19 AM.
Here are some of the photos from the engine teardown. This is the same GSXR 750 shown on bwfuel.com. This engine had 18,000 miles of pump and race fuels before running 3500 miles of BioWeapon. These photos show how BioWeapon cleans and lubricates the top end.
Intake is bare-metal-clean, piston is carbon free and lubricated.
Valves and head are carbon free and lubricated.
Exhaust port is clear and valve stem is clean.
Spark plug shows lube on threads but no fouling.
Intake valves and pistons are dark from heat-score, but are virtually carbon free even in the smallest recesses.
The NESBA thread has the spec sheet posted in it along with tons of information about how it works. There is no oxygenation or corrosive compounds in the fuel. Power is derived through gained efficiency from top end lubrication as well as burning faster and more completely than gasoline. This is also a huge contributor to our lower emissions.
Can you provide more specifics than your spec sheet? As nd4spd said, many of us don't belong to NESBA, and don't want to sign up to read one thread.
Where is your enhanced lubricity coming from? What compounds are creating this? What are these compound(s) flashpoints?
Our site is highly populated by engineers, including some who work in Detroit, and have much more than a passing knowledge of such things.
We also tend to be highly suspicious of things that sound like snake oil...and fuel is probably only second worst to oil.
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Does that lubrication on the valves/heads burn off over time or is it more like residue and accumulates over time requiring tear down and chemical baths to clean the components?
The lubricity comes from a reacted chicken fat product instead of lead. I am not able to share the processes or descriptions of individual fuel components for obvious reasons. The spec sheet I have provided shows all pertinent data relative to the finished product, BioWeapon. There are dyno charts at bwfuel.com, and I will be adding a video of the engine teardown from which the photos I posted came. The information in the NESBA forum is more or less a combination of me fielding questions such as I am doing here, and the responses of some of the 300+ riders who demo'ed BioWeapon at Barber, Road Atlanta, Roebling Road, etc. Please don’t take this response as a put off, just understand that there is a year’s worth of data in the other forums.
Originally Posted by luvtolean
Can you provide more specifics than your spec sheet? As nd4spd said, many of us don't belong to NESBA, and don't want to sign up to read one thread.
Where is your enhanced lubricity coming from? What compounds are creating this? What are these compound(s) flashpoints?
Our site is highly populated by engineers, including some who work in Detroit, and have much more than a passing knowledge of such things.
We also tend to be highly suspicious of things that sound like snake oil...and fuel is probably only second worst to oil.
The lubrication burns off leaving behind a thin film that renews with every piston cycle much like a 2-stroke.
Originally Posted by ND4SPD
Does that lubrication on the valves/heads burn off over time or is it more like residue and accumulates over time requiring tear down and chemical baths to clean the components?
Last edited by BW_Fuel_Company; 02-09-2010 at 01:46 PM.
The lubricity comes from a reacted chicken fat product instead of lead. I am not able to share the processes or descriptions of individual fuel components for obvious reasons. The spec sheet I have provided shows all pertinent data relative to the finished product, BioWeapon. There are dyno charts at bwfuel.com, and I will be adding a video of the engine teardown from which the photos I posted came. The information in the NESBA forum is more or less a combination of me fielding questions such as I am doing here, and the responses of some of the 300+ riders who demo'ed BioWeapon at Barber, Road Atlanta, Roebling Road, etc. Please don’t take this response as a put off, just understand that there is a year’s worth of data in the other forums.
OK, but we have a large number of MEs here, including several SAE members. Given the position of this thread on the Goog, you might want to entertain some of these questions, even if you cut and paste.
You have an interesting product (not to mention a unique use for schmaltz) , and we want to take this a little deeper than simple promotion, if that's OK with you.
BW, surely you know anyone with a few bucks can get a chemical assay of your product...
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Does that thin film accumulate over time? Have you done any testing on a brand new engine? How does the fuel affect manufacturer warranties?
It does not build up. It burns away, much like a 2-stroke.
Yes we have tested it in new engines. My 08 zx10 has run only BioWeapon. I have 5000 track miles on it now.
You would need to consult your manufacturer as to your warranty, however I would not expect it to differ any from use of other race fuels.
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Talked to a couple of people at NESBA that ran it and they were positive but I just run premium pump gas like Honda recommends. Though I did get a chicken bone fragment on the shield when I passed a guy.....
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Reason: Taking out extraneous elements. Mostly mine...
If everything tastes like chicken..... what does chicken taste like
So there's a guy, on another forum, who received some fuel for free and decided it was OK after the highly scientific process of pouring it in the tank and burning the liquified chickenshit a few laps?
Wow.
"It's not debt per se that overwhelms an individual, corporation, or country. Rather, it is the continuous increase in debt in relation to income that causes trouble." --Warren Buffett
So there's a guy, on another forum, who received some fuel for free and decided it was OK after the highly scientific process of pouring it in the tank and burning the liquified chickenshit a few laps?
Wow.
Will we race against you in any CCS or WERA races this year? We have several riders in events throughout the season running BioWeapon. Hopefully, we can earn your respect on the track if there is no way to win it with video, photos, and dyno sheets.
Racing in this context is nearly meaningless though.
Wouldn't be too hard to find a faster racer than me with commodity-grade 87 (R+M)/2, I've chosen to be a much better engineer than throttle twister...
Your product can only be proven with thorough testing controlling all other variables.
Last edited by luvtolean; 02-11-2010 at 03:54 PM.
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Racing in this context is nearly meaningless though.
Nearly? I'd say completely meaningless.
...dude you ride an offroad bike with slicks, 1/2 the weight of a GS, double the suspension, with a browning 50 cal going off 32" from your skull as a daily freaking driver - I'd expect anything except a nitro dragbike to be bland by comparison - SSG
I would like first to address statement, "Your product can only be proven with thorough testing controlling all other variables".
BWfuel has spent 25,000 + Miles testing BioWeapon on the dyno, in the laboratory, and on the racetrack. We have disassembled, inspected, and documented engines. All of this data is provided in chart, photo, or video at the BWFuel website. I am confident that you will find that BWFuel.com provides far more information and real world testing than any other racing fuel company's website. I would also like to ask you to look at the fuel you currently use. Have you investigated it with the same scrutiny? We are not disputing the quality of other racing fuels, just their cost and environmental impact. Anyone using seasonal-varying pump gas has no idea what they are putting in their bike.
I have personally sought out discussion boards about BioWeapon to provide information and field questions to the best of my ability. Some of the information we have added to our website has come directly from two way conversation with those whom we wish to provide fuel. This has often been a constructive activity, but not always. Either way we are reaching out to racing communities and riders for a chance to offer feedback.
Secondly, I wish to address your other statement, "Racing in this context is nearly meaningless though." Usually I would agree with your statement, but you misunderstand my meaning in this instance. My reference to racing had nothing to do with seeing who would win in a contest. It was about how we actually demonstrate our own confidence in our fuel and how our professional riders demonstrate confidence in our fuel. I would hope that the credentials of those who endorse BioWeapon would lend to its credibility. I was also asking in a round about way if you race motorcycles. I did not decipher the answer to that from your response, but if you are a street rider, this is not the fuel for you. BioWeapon is not intended for over the road use.
Finally, as a rider I can understand having reservations with something new. In effort to overcome that barrier BWFuel gave away 1000 gallons of fuel with NESBA. The fuel was consumed at Barber Motorsports Park and Road Atlanta by riders at all levels of experience. We are definitely trying to get exposure, but this thread was started as a result of that giveaway, not by BWFuel. It is not my intension to market door to door, I just wanted to introduce myself and direct those who are interested to information. This will be my last post. Please direct any further inquiries to info@bwfuel.com Thank You.
Last edited by BW_Fuel_Company; 02-11-2010 at 08:34 PM.
about LuvToLean not racing or being able to make considered decisions based on the actual facts of the matter.
I have a question straight up without any environmental considerations.
Does BioWeapon perform better than U4 or MR9? I would love to see back to back dyno tests with a comprehensive fuel and system purge between fuel changes on the same bike.
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Racing in this context is nearly meaningless though.
Meaningless? It is a "racing" fuel, is it not? What other context, then?
My second visit here, and my last. Sure wouldn't want to get taken apart like the BW guy by a bunch of haters like this, for say, mentioning a new line of leathers made from alligators. Lot's of other MC forums with way better vibes than this pit of vipers.
And if you'd like to know, I did run Bioweapon last year at Barber. No comparison to pump gas. Not even close. Probably even better than BW claims. And as a bonus, it made the track smell like chicken. I like chicken.
Meaningless? It is a "racing" fuel, is it not? What other context, then?
My second visit here, and my last. Sure wouldn't want to get taken apart like the BW guy by a bunch of haters like this, for say, mentioning a new line of leathers made from alligators. Lot's of other MC forums with way better vibes than this pit of vipers.
And if you'd like to know, I did run Bioweapon last year at Barber. No comparison to pump gas. Not even close. Probably even better than BW claims. And as a bonus, it made the track smell like chicken. I like chicken.
As you were ladies...
The point is that being fast racing is not just fuel nor bike. At some level all things equal fuel might be the difference but not even at the MotoGP level are all things equal. Maybe LTL was not clear on that but neither was BioWeapon since he did expand on his post.
My comment on pump gas was simple. I do not see the need for special fuel (or higher octane) as I am not running engine mods and Honda designed the engine for premium. Surely you can disagree but that is my opinion.
I was at Barber and remember the pitch and talked to people (I was even the one that complained about a leak )
Oh and signing on so you can say you guys suck that is so lame and immature. I defended some of what BioWeapon said on some fronts and disagree with some others (but did not voice them) but if you can't take that people questioned and criticized your product you are likely in for a long rough time (but not here )
If everything tastes like chicken..... what does chicken taste like
I am confident that you will find that BWFuel.com provides far more information and real world testing than any other fuel company's website.
Wait, what? Are you serious? Really, are you fucking serious?
Your website is a joke. The first time I clicked on it told me I wouldn't buy anything from you. Then you go and make a totally moronic statement such as this so I had to give it another look-see.
Same thing, pile of shit page. It is horribly laid out, a single flat page with no real information but a few graphs showing nothing, a couple videos that annoy the piss out of people after a handful of seconds and ZERO real world information.
More information than any fuel company's website? Bullshit. Try just one - Texaco: Texaco: Texaco for Your Car
Far more information than you are even able to provide.
Your logo is hideous, your site isn't professional, your videos are worse than an average Jr. High Schooler's. Why would anyone believe you have ANY real world data? It's not on your page. All that's there is a bunch of hearsay and made up charts.
Try again.
And just for kicks, regarding your pathetic "Jimmy Bob RaceBoy users our stuff, so it HAS to rule!!" line of B.S. "reasoning": Any WSBK or MotoGP teams burning your crap?
Yeah, I guess you haven't proven it on the track.
There's always someone faster, and in the clubber world trying to attribute it to fuel just proves you haven't a clue.
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Brad. Many of our members don't belong to NESBA so it may benefit both parties if you uploaded the spec sheet here as well.
Originally Posted by BW_Fuel_Company
about LuvToLean not racing or being able to make considered decisions based on the actual facts of the matter.
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that is so lame and immature. I defended some of what BioWeapon said on some fronts and disagree with some others (but did not voice them) but if you can't take that people questioned and criticized your product you are likely in for a long rough time (but not here 
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