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08,
I second what Abtech says, "if you aint racing, there is no need for warmers". Buying those would be a waste of funds, especially if there are still lights on the bike. 
You have a great excitement for the upcoming track day season, and thats nice to hear. You are full of questions, which is also a positive. Thats shows that you are willing to learn all that you can. However, sometimes too much info all at once, can have an overwhelming feeling attached to it. At a race track, especially Grattan, thinking about too much, can cost you more than think...
Just some food for thought... Todays sportbikes have stock components that are probably better than race components were 10 yrs ago. I think its safe to say, that you are not going to out-ride the bikes capabilities in stock trim, during this years upcoming track day season, which will be your second season. My advice to you is to keep things simple.
Your bike has more than enough power. But is it set-up to handle all the power you you are willing to use? You say you are not going to spend money on your suspension, but have you properly set-up the stock suspension? Has the "sag" been set up properly on your bike, front and rear? Do you know what it feels like to ride a bike that has a properly set-up suspension? Have you ran laps around Grattan with your stock suspension set to full soft, both front and rear? Have you ran laps around Grattan with your stock suspension set to full hard, both front and rear? You need to experience what these two extremes "FEEL" like. Because you can have the best tires money can buy, but if your suspension can not handle the grip those tires will give you, then you have wasted your money...
Tires: You should be looking for a track day tire that is going to provide you with good grip and lots of mileage. That tire should also be able to perform well IF it happens to rain. Those that have many years of experience riding Grattan will tell you, that rain can come in fairly quickly at Grattan and unless there is a great deal of wind and sun, its not a track that dries out quickly. WE ALL prefer warm and dry days at Grattan, but thats not something any of us has control over. You said so yourself, your budget is limited, so you need to get the best all around tire for the amount of money that you want to spend. I know of no one that has been to Grattan and never experienced rain. Some have even experienced snow there! I think we will all agree, that you can learn a great deal from riding on a wet track. Also, if you rode on stock size tires last year, I would suggest that whatever brand of tire you decide to roll with for this year, you get stock size tires as well. Riding a different size rear, will alter the geometry of the rear, and the feeling you got accustom to last year, will not be the same...
Having a properly set up bike is very important, especially at Grattan, because of all the bumps.
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The hype is low.
Who doesn't like a thread warmed over? I know I do.
Similar to 08's comments, I'm in the market for a good performing track tire, with some street use. Clearly, tire warmers are something I do not need.
I've gathered this from the discussion so far:
- Pirelli DCIII are great tires with tons of grip, good mileage and quick warm up time.
- Dunlops are still a great tire, though I'm still puzzled by their nomenclature and which would be best for my needs.
- I didn't hear much mentioned about either Michelin PP's or the Pilot Races. Any thoughts, opinions, etc.?
Now ... don't flame me too bad, but in the past, I ran Continental RoadAttacks and RaceAttacks - with the latter surprising me quite a bit in the short time I had them. Opinions on these? <zips up flame suit>
The other question I had (I'm full of them today) are the differences between the Dunlop Qualifier and the 208GP?
I ask because I can get a great deal on them at Pridmore's STAR School, which I'm doing at Miller at the end of April.
Your comments are all greatly appreciated!
Today's public figures can no longer write their own speeches or books, and there is some evidence that they can't read them either.
- Gore Vidal
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No flaming from me regarding your Conti Attacks. IMHO Conti has come a long way lately. They're still not on par with the top shelf DOT race tires, but they're quite capable in many respects. Pretty sure the D208 is not made any more or is at least on it last few runs and I would speculate that would drive the deals on them. Its been a while since I used them, but I liked them too. No experience on the Qualifiers.
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Blending
D208 is gone any you find are leftovers. Qualifiers are decent tire at a decent price but warmed up a bit slow for me. I also liked the Bridgestone BT002RT for a track tire at a great price (never ran them on the road)
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No Hammer this year :(
It seems we can get the best deals on the 209's. I'm guessing performance wise the 209's and the corsa III's are neck in neck? Both close in price too.
Do sober what you said what you'd do drunk. That will teach you to keep your mouth shut. - Ernest Hemingway
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FWIW I ran Qualifiers the entire track season in 07 with a TUNED stock suspension on my R6. I was able to put 7 trackdays (5 of them in a row do to MCADX GrattanDays) on a single set and ran High Int pace(1:35s). Still had enough life to put 2000 street miles on them and just finally changed them out this winter and for around $200-$250 a set you can't really beat that. This year I have an extra set of rims and sprocket to try out so I'll probalby move up one notch on the tire evolution chart and use the Qualifiers as my street/backup set.
A TUNED suspension is the best money you can spend on ANY bike. Power and Rubber don't matter if the Suspension is the limiting factor so you're just throwing your money away otherwise.
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Ben Spies > You
Bridgestone BT-016 review:
Okay, so I set the 10 up to be street legal again. In doing so, I was in search of new road tires. I have been along standing Michelin fan for both street and track (Pilot Powers and Pilot Power 2cts for the street, and Michelin slicks for the track).
But I was talking a buddy of mine from a local shop and he had recently street tested some Bridgestone BT-016 himself and recommended I give them a try. So I did. Great thing about this tire is the rear is a triple compound (hard in the center, medium in the shoulder, and soft out on the edge). The front is a dual compound harder in the center, and softer out from the shoulder to edge of the tire. Also, the tire profile is not as "pronounced" as the Michelin's. That is, its not as "peaky" in the middle. On the road these tires inspired nothing but confidence. Never once did this tire give me any hickups or problems. Very confident feeling tire. I ran them 34 psi front and rear. Also with that harder center that isn't as tall as the Michelin, I am hoping to get longer life from the road.
Even better news is, they are priced better than Michelin and Dunlop models with similar performance.
Before anyone confuses these tires and stock OEM tires, they most certainly ARE NOT the hard-ass OEM factory installed Bridgestones that many may have ridden from their bike off the showroom floor. This is a totally different tire and is NOTHING like an OEM tire.
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No Hammer this year :(
 Originally Posted by MotoVegas
Bridgestone BT-016 review:
Okay, so I set the 10 up to be street legal again. In doing so, I was in search of new road tires. I have been along standing Michelin fan for both street and track (Pilot Powers and Pilot Power 2cts for the street, and Michelin slicks for the track).
But I was talking a buddy of mine from a local shop and he had recently street tested some Bridgestone BT-016 himself and recommended I give them a try. So I did. Great thing about this tire is the rear is a triple compound (hard in the center, medium in the shoulder, and soft out on the edge). The front is a dual compound harder in the center, and softer out from the shoulder to edge of the tire. Also, the tire profile is not as "pronounced" as the Michelin's. That is, its not as "peaky" in the middle. On the road these tires inspired nothing but confidence. Never once did this tire give me any hickups or problems. Very confident feeling tire. I ran them 34 psi front and rear. Also with that harder center that isn't as tall as the Michelin, I am hoping to get longer life from the road.
Even better news is, they are priced better than Michelin and Dunlop models with similar performance.
Before anyone confuses these tires and stock OEM tires, they most certainly ARE NOT the hard-ass OEM factory installed Bridgestones that many may have ridden from their bike off the showroom floor. This is a totally different tire and is NOTHING like an OEM tire.
Thats exactly what I've heard. The 16's replaced the 15's which I used last year on the track, and what came on my bike. They say are very comparable. That tire would be my first choice on the street. Great grip (even cold) and great milleage. On the track though the 15's started overheating, (maybe better with the 16's?) but overall very good.
Do sober what you said what you'd do drunk. That will teach you to keep your mouth shut. - Ernest Hemingway
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The Fedex man just delivered a set of Pirelli slicks to my door. Gotta love those sticky buns...
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Ben Spies > You
Originally Posted by 08silvercbr
Thats exactly what I've heard. The 16's replaced the 15's which I used last year on the track, and what came on my bike. They say are very comparable. That tire would be my first choice on the street. Great grip (even cold) and great milleage. On the track though the 15's started overheating, (maybe better with the 16's?) but overall very good.
From what I've read, the edge is too soft for track duty. I'll just take them off for track days, and replace them with my slicks.
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No Hammer this year :(
OK.. where are you guys buying tires? Who has the deals out now? If I go Dunlop I'll use RTS, but I wanna see my different pricing options on Pirelli's.
Do sober what you said what you'd do drunk. That will teach you to keep your mouth shut. - Ernest Hemingway
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No Hammer this year :(
Originally Posted by ND4SPD
Ping Scottieducati.
I did think that. I haven't seen him on here in a while.
Do sober what you said what you'd do drunk. That will teach you to keep your mouth shut. - Ernest Hemingway
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posing for the camera
Originally Posted by 08silvercbr
I did think that. I haven't seen him on here in a while.
he was at VIR the beginning of the week doing trackdays with his BostonMoto business.
"If everything seems under control, you're just not going fast enough" - Mario Andretti
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No Hammer this year :(
Originally Posted by CBR929RE
he was at VIR the beginning of the week doing trackdays with his BostonMoto business.
BostonMoto is his then? I was looking for contact info on him.. Anyone have a direct # or email? I wish they had a price list on their site. 
Do sober what you said what you'd do drunk. That will teach you to keep your mouth shut. - Ernest Hemingway
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If everything tastes like chicken..... what does chicken taste like
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posing for the camera
Originally Posted by 08silvercbr
BostonMoto is his then? I was looking for contact info on him.. Anyone have a direct # or email? I wish they had a price list on their site.
yes I believe he co-owns it with a friend. They started holding track days this year in addition to the tire business. Check the site out for some dates, they're kind of all over the place. even have a decent price for NHMS which is tempting me to maybe go there one more time.
if I see him on AIM I'll tell him you're looking for him for some tire prices. I also wanna check with him on them too. If not I'm gonna go with the deal STG has on the Michelin Power Races.
"If everything seems under control, you're just not going fast enough" - Mario Andretti
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No Hammer this year :(
Originally Posted by CBR929RE
yes I believe he co-owns it with a friend. They started holding track days this year in addition to the tire business. Check the site out for some dates, they're kind of all over the place. even have a decent price for NHMS which is tempting me to maybe go there one more time.
if I see him on AIM I'll tell him you're looking for him for some tire prices. I also wanna check with him on them too. If not I'm gonna go with the deal STG has on the Michelin Power Races.
I pm'd frenchie to get a number from him since they are both at VIR.. I think she has used him before as well
Do sober what you said what you'd do drunk. That will teach you to keep your mouth shut. - Ernest Hemingway
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The hype is low.
Alright ... I've got another tire question.
I'll be running a set of Dunlop SportMax GP take-offs at STAR next month. They have probably two heat cycles in them on two track days.
What should my warm up time on these be? Any other expectations or feedback on there tires?
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- Gore Vidal
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DILLIGAF
I have not run that specific tire, but generally 2 laps is ok without warmers on them. If you are using warmers, then they should be ready to hit T1 full bore.
Amateurs practices until they get it right. A professional practices until they can't get it wrong.
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Senore Ducati
Hey guys, sorry to be absent for a little while, as you can imagine things were quite hairy gearing up for the season opener at VIR (which was fantastic btw!). Relevant to this thread, I ran Diablo Corsa III's for the event through conditions ranging from cold and wet-track to completely dry, sunny and 65... and was absolutely blown away at how amazing the tires were. I was able to keep guys running full slicks in sight and managed to keep things shiny side up during the damp periods!!!
Feel free to PM me for pricing inquiries or email: tires@bostonmoto.com.
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No Hammer this year :(
Originally Posted by ScottieDucati
Hey guys, sorry to be absent for a little while, as you can imagine things were quite hairy gearing up for the season opener at VIR (which was fantastic btw!). Relevant to this thread, I ran Diablo Corsa III's for the event through conditions ranging from cold and wet-track to completely dry, sunny and 65... and was absolutely blown away at how amazing the tires were. I was able to keep guys running full slicks in sight and managed to keep things shiny side up during the damp periods!!!
Feel free to PM me for pricing inquiries or email: tires@bostonmoto.com.
PM sent 
Do sober what you said what you'd do drunk. That will teach you to keep your mouth shut. - Ernest Hemingway
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The hype is low.
Originally Posted by Hammer
I have not run that specific tire, but generally 2 laps is ok without warmers on them. If you are using warmers, then they should be ready to hit T1 full bore.
Negative on the warmers. But that's good advice.
Any word on how the wear? Do the go right off, or is there a gradual decline to their handling and grip?
Today's public figures can no longer write their own speeches or books, and there is some evidence that they can't read them either.
- Gore Vidal
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Originally Posted by ScottieDucati
Hey guys, sorry to be absent for a little while, as you can imagine things were quite hairy gearing up for the season opener at VIR (which was fantastic btw!). Relevant to this thread, I ran Diablo Corsa III's for the event through conditions ranging from cold and wet-track to completely dry, sunny and 65... and was absolutely blown away at how amazing the tires were. I was able to keep guys running full slicks in sight and managed to keep things shiny side up during the damp periods!!!
Feel free to PM me for pricing inquiries or email: tires@bostonmoto.com.
PM sent
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Originally Posted by CBR929RE
yes I believe he co-owns it with a friend. They started holding track days this year in addition to the tire business. Check the site out for some dates, they're kind of all over the place. even have a decent price for NHMS which is tempting me to maybe go there one more time.
if I see him on AIM I'll tell him you're looking for him for some tire prices. I also wanna check with him on them too. If not I'm gonna go with the deal STG has on the Michelin Power Races.
I am also considering the power races as well. But I don't have any experience with them. I understand what bwhip said but on a general level do they compare at all to Pirelli supercorsas? I sure can buy a whole lot more tire to what I spend on the Pirelli's with this STG deal.
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Originally Posted by eyauch
I am also considering the power races as well. But I don't have any experience with them. I understand what bwhip said but on a general level do they compare at all to Pirelli supercorsas? I sure can buy a whole lot more tire to what I spend on the Pirelli's with this STG deal.
well I decided against them after talking with Scottie. Basically because they are race tires and heat cycles are more of a concern and since I don't have warmers I'll just stick with a more street usable tire. Probably gonna try some DCIIIs from Scottie since the price is decent and mounting and balance would be free since I'm local to him.
if you guys can work something out with him and want some Pirellis for Grattan I can bring them if you want. save a couple bucks on shipping.
"If everything seems under control, you're just not going fast enough" - Mario Andretti
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Originally Posted by CBR929RE
well I decided against them after talking with Scottie. Basically because they are race tires and heat cycles are more of a concern and since I don't have warmers I'll just stick with a more street usable tire. Probably gonna try some DCIIIs from Scottie since the price is decent and mounting and balance would be free since I'm local to him.
if you guys can work something out with him and want some Pirellis for Grattan I can bring them if you want. save a couple bucks on shipping.
I appreciate the offer. I may take you up on that. I know he doesn't get on this board much but when I hear from him....
(un)Fortunately for me thats all I do know days is track days. So race tires are fine. Even though I don't have the speed to truly warrant them.
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No Hammer this year :(
Originally Posted by eyauch
I am also considering the power races as well. But I don't have any experience with them. I understand what bwhip said but on a general level do they compare at all to Pirelli supercorsas? I sure can buy a whole lot more tire to what I spend on the Pirelli's with this STG deal.
I've never used either but from info I'm gathering the power races suck on feedback. All or nothing. Personally I think the heat cycles thing is BS and neither need warmers for track days.  Never heard one bad thing on the supercorsas, but $150 a set more then the mich's. Scotties price on the Supercorsa's are very good. IMO not much more then Corsa III's. His prices also include shipping
Do sober what you said what you'd do drunk. That will teach you to keep your mouth shut. - Ernest Hemingway
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Senore Ducati
Just want to make something clear, Boston Moto is the race distributor for the Northeast region only!! To find your local distributor (who should all have pricing similar to ours) checkout Welcome to the DiabloRacer.com Forum There's a TON of great technical info there as well.
For those in Michigan, your local distributor is:
Uber Racing (Mark Van Dogen)
365 Pinehurst Dr., Belle River, ONT, N0R 1A0
E-mail: mark@getpirellis.com, Phone: 519-890-4385
I'm always free to answer questions on tire pressures, compounds, or which tire would be right for your application.
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Originally Posted by ScottieDucati
Just want to make something clear, Boston Moto is the race distributor for the Northeast region only!! To find your local distributor (who should all have pricing similar to ours) checkout Welcome to the DiabloRacer.com Forum There's a TON of great technical info there as well.
For those in Michigan, your local distributor is:
Uber Racing (Mark Van Dogen)
365 Pinehurst Dr., Belle River, ONT, N0R 1A0
E-mail: mark@getpirellis.com, Phone: 519-890-4385
I'm always free to answer questions on tire pressures, compounds, or which tire would be right for your application.
 for Mark Van Dongen. He forced a new set of slicks on me recently...
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