deftones156

Man gets life for killing boy who walked on lawn - Crime & Punishment - MSNBC.com

WTF is wrong with people?

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CBRVFR

It's assholes like this guy that make humanity yearn for the concept of eternal punishment. Of course, as far as I'm concerned, hell wouldn't have to be much worse than a big lawn to mow while you guys are out riding.

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bda116

No kidding. Kids these days just don't listen.

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Bourne

Exactly.

deftones156

You are one morbid sumbitch, BDA.

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"My friend said to me, ‘You know what I like? Mashed potatoes.’ I was like, ‘Dude, you have to give me time to guess. If you're going to quiz me you have to insert a pause."

tigerblade

The old idiot killed the young idiot. Bad reenactment:

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seamus

Although I don't condone the shooting, he should have loaded that shotgun with salt pellets and blasted a rash on his ass.

I've been about 3 seconds from "opening a can" on some the knuckleheads around here, including my own, a couple times only to be saved by the fact kids tend to flee when I raise my voice.

I can empathize with the old man in this case.

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luvtolean

Yeah. The sentence was proper, you can't have people killing kids for trespassing, but I do feel for the crotchety old man. The dumbshit should've done something less lethal, rock salt, pepper spray, even a tazer.

I do have to wonder if the kid smarted off to the old man when he pointed the gun at him too.

I have a couple friends that were rock salted for trespassing when they were kids. He'll be the first to tell you he deserved it, that he screamed like a little bitch when hit...and he respected other people's property with new vigor after that.

I've also had a shotgun pointed at me (though at the time the muzzle looked more like a rocket launcher) by a farmer for tresspassing. I thought I was going to feel the burn that day myself, and I have never messed around on a farmer's property again either...

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Bourne

Farmers don't tend to be the most jovial bunch when you mess around on their property.

SheepOfBlue

Crazy old man confronts you with a 410 but you get to walk away. You then go hang with your pals and return the same route I am missing something? Why did the kid not call the cops right after the loon with a 410 met him.

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luvtolean

No, and it is for good reason.

Farmers get some weird mofos, transients, punks on dirtbikes tearing up drip systems (no, I was NOT doing that, nor have I ever) etc etc...

My grandpa was forever chasing out transient field workers from his orchard. They liked squatting on his place because it had a well-fed open irrigation waterbox to use for washing dishes and clothes...

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luvtolean

A better question is, why did the idiot go back and do it again?

If the kid had used the slightest bit of common sense, no cops should have been needed in this scenario.

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maxib

This is a terribly sad situation all around. The kid woulda moved away in 3 to 4 years anyway. It sounds like the old coot would have gotten arrested for shooting songbirds for crapping in his yard. He must have been a retired golf course greenskeeper.

I don't think for a second that seamus would even need rock salt. He would just walk out the front door and blot out the sun and everyone would run away.

The rock salt comments are disturbing to me however. I've been shot with a shotgun, and it was not nice. Happened on a dove hunting trip in SC. No, it wasn't Cheney, but a 13 yo on his first hunting trip with his dad. Although about 50 yards away, I saw his swing coming in my direction and folded into a ball with my butt facing the muzzle when he unloaded.

I went over and had words with his father...and then couldn't sit comfortably for a week.

Let's not get all excited about reloading shotgun shells with salt. A firearm is deadly serious and the days of Jed Clampet are long gone.

ND4SPD

Yep.

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CBRVFR

All kidding aside - I cannot fucking believe anyone would excuse this asshole to any degree for threatening, much less using deadly force against a human being for WALKING ON HIS FUCKING LAWN.

Not stealing, not vandalizing. Walking.

If that's the degree to which you think people have the right to defend "their" property with firearms, you're simply wrong from a legal and moral standpoint. He had the right to call the authorities, who could have arrested the kid. He took the law into his hands and destroyed a whole bunch of more worthwhile lives than his own.

He should be stuffed into a woodchipper so he can fertilize the lawn more effectively.

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luvtolean

I don't think it was moral or right.

The authorities would likely not even show up actually.

If they did, trespassing is a simple misdemeanor, not anything near an arrest.

Definitely. And it was NOT justified. Obviously.

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CBRVFR

Just the act of ticketing him (with the promise of fines to follow for repeat offenses) would have stopped the problem in all likelihood. I live in a rural area, and the cops would have gotten there eventually, particularly if the old man would have called his county commissioner.


This kind of thing drives me out of my mind. I literally couldn't read the paper last night, there were so many stories like this.

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tigerblade

A couple of years ago, right around the 4th of July, Sunny and I got Alex out of bed because someone was shooting fireworks and we wanted him to see them. We were standing next to the house at the top of the driveway when 3 kids came running up the street. I'd guess around 13 years old. I just knew they were up to trouble the way they were running and laughing, like they were running away from something they just did. Anyway, right in front of us, they ran up the public sidewalk in front of our house and one of the kids jumped onto the trunk of Sunny's car. He stood for a split second, then jumped off and kept running. I had no shoes on and wasn't going to catch them running anyway, but I got in the car and drove up the street where they were. As soon as they saw me, they went running between houses and of course lost me pretty easily. What would I have done if I'd caught them? I don't know. It would have been nice to hold one of them while we called the cops or something. I just hate that the little shits got away with something right in front of us. If I had some kind of projectile handy, I can't say I wouldn't have loved to pepper one of them with it. Not a shotgun, of course, but something that stung would have been nice. I realize they were just being stupid kids, but stupid kids can't run unchecked or they become stupid adults.

CBRVFR's post is right on as far as Shotgun Red here goes. This guy went way too far.

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deftones156

That's really immaterial..

If that old man had used the slightest bit of common sense, no coroners should have been needed in this scenario.


I'm not saying that the kid should be allowed to walk wherever he pleases, but the man's response to him doing so reminds me of this quote, "Never use a hatchet to remove a fly from a friend's forehead." If I were to have received the same punishment as this kid every time I did something dumb or disrepectful as a kid, I would have been dead by age 12.

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luvtolean

Yeah, maybe. Whether the cops would or would not have done anything about it does not change the morality or justification of what he did.

But it would change his mindset.

I guess I look at it like this.

If he had blasted the kid before or during their first confrontation, I'd be voting for the woodchipper with you.

But they argued, the kid knew the old man was dead serious about him staying away, reading between the lines I'd say the old man probably threatened him if he came back, and yet he came back to taunt him and did it again. We also don't know if this kid and his buddies were doing this repeatedly to the old man.

This does not excuse the use of lethal force. Neither morally or legally. It would not make even rock salt legally justified. Were I on the jury, and the basic facts reported are all correct, I'd vote to put him away for life too.

But this kid made a really stupid choice, and carries at least a small part of the blame.

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tigerblade

"He must have died while carving it."

"Oh, come on!"

"Well, that's what it says."

"Look, if he was dying, he wouldn't have bothered to carve 'Aaaauuuuuggghhh.' He'd just say it."

"Maybe he was dictating it."

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luvtolean

Dammit.

I should abuse my moderator powers.

I blame my lack of training.

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luvtolean

Damn, I read it again and he shot him twice. That's really nasty.

Maybe I'll have to reconsider, I am a bit closer to agreeing the woodchipper is called for....how in the hell has a person this unstable not done something bad during his 60+ years I wonder?

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