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  1. 03-29-2007 11:01 AM #1
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    Network Cameras Home Security - advice?

    I am considering putting up some network cameras around the perimiter of my house for security reasons. The cameras would ftp files to my home webserver and or email pictures to a yahoo account. I do realize sending them offsite would be ideal in case they steal the server. I suppose I could bolt the server down?

    I have some experience with the Axis cameras but I am wondering if there may be a less spendy/better camera.

    Anyone set up anything like this?
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    Re: Network Cameras Home Security - advice?

    I've been researching home surveillance systems as I will be installing one in my new home.
    These guys seem to get good marks, and this package looks pretty decent.
    You CAN spend more, but don't really need to.
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    Re: Network Cameras Home Security - advice?

    You guys interested in systems/monitoring or just cameras and DIY monitoring?

    I'm upgrading existing stuff now myself, so...good timing
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    Re: Network Cameras Home Security - advice?

    I believe that is right down Bikeoholic's field of expertise. Maybe he can give some advice . . .

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    Re: Network Cameras Home Security - advice?

    Interesting... DVR?

    I guess I could bolt the server to the top of the gunsafe or maybe even inside it? I would have to figure out ventilation though? I do have a sentry gun locker that is collecting dust at the moment that would be easier to ventilate than the safe...

    Yeh ventilating a fire/gun safe is probably a bad idea.

    So Server/DVR inside a gun locker. Run power to the inside. Ventilate the top and bottom with fans?
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    Re: Network Cameras Home Security - advice?

    Only as strong as your weakest link...you want multiple points of failure yet in a realistic situation...use something wireless as a backup, or offsite altogether. Then again unless you're storing the baseball diamond, you might be all set with a sano system
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  7. 03-29-2007 12:43 PM #7
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    Re: Network Cameras Home Security - advice?

    My current plan is nightly offload to network storage with the emergecy alerts set to both offload to network and FTP offsite. That way if someone breaks in, the alarm system will tell the DVR to send info out as well, in case the thugs are intelligent enough to find the camera system, hack into the network, find the local store and delete it all.
    They shouldn't have time to locate the equipment, remove it and get away.
    But if they do, images of the event will be offsite as well.
    Then again, they wouldn't really have any reason to go to that much trouble in a home system.
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  8. 03-29-2007 02:06 PM #8
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    Re: Network Cameras Home Security - advice?

    If your worried about someone breaking in and stealing the data put the DVR in a lockbox (Link to show one as an example) the lockbox has a built in fan 120mm that breaks but systems can run in them just fine. Bolt the box down and nobody will be taking it. You can fit a UPS inside on top of the PC so the system will run even if the power is cut.

    The software for the systems I install allows you to lock users out of the OS so if someone were to access the system they couldnt stop or delete recordings. The only way to do it would be take the system or destroy the system.

    If you're going to use wireless IP cameras be sure to hide the power wires as best you can, I'd reccommend using a central power supply (cheap money) most come with a key so you can lock it. Also plug the power supply into a UPS also so that way if someone were planning on breaking in and cut the power, the cameras would still be running.

    Dont cheap out on a UPS for the cameras if they are in outdoor heated enclosures because as soon as the heaters kick in the UPS will flip out and run out of juice in no time.
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    Re: Network Cameras Home Security - advice?

    Quote Originally Posted by MrX View Post
    Bolt the box down and nobody will be taking it.
    A good idea, no doubt.

    But I most certainly would not be bothered for more than 30 seconds (and probably no more than about 10) by a traditional lock box like you show...or for that matter, most safes.

    Everything is defeatable. People do have their home safes burglarized every year.

    This stuff is for the smash and grab punk teenager or crackhead; it's going to take some real thought to beat even a mediocre thief.
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    Re: Network Cameras Home Security - advice?

    Quote Originally Posted by luvtolean View Post
    A good idea, no doubt.

    But I most certainly would not be bothered for more than 30 seconds (and probably no more than about 10) by a traditional lock box like you show...or for that matter, most safes.

    Everything is defeatable. People do have their home safes burglarized every year.

    This stuff is for the smash and grab punk teenager or crackhead; it's going to take some real thought to beat even a mediocre thief.
    You guys ever watch "It takes a thief" on Discovery? In the last episode I saw they jacked a police station.
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    Re: Network Cameras Home Security - advice?

    Quote Originally Posted by abtech View Post
    I believe that is right down Bikeoholic's field of expertise. Maybe he can give some advice . . .
    You are correct
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    Re: Network Cameras Home Security - advice?

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    Re: Network Cameras Home Security - advice?

    Put the server in your panic room.

    Then ftp and upload via satellite to a networked server routed through an anonymyzer to an independent server mounted in a fireproof safe in Switzerland.
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    Re: Network Cameras Home Security - advice?

    Yeh what kicked this off again was the neighbor told me an officer walked up to his dad while watering the lawn asking if he saw anything about a week ago. There seems to have been 3 burglaries within a block of my house in the past 2 years.

    I was looking at CCTV PCI cards to add to my server vs stand-alone video/network server vs network camera.

    The Axis network cams can ftp pictures to a server and have a built in webserver. I run IIS so I would be using the ftp method. $180 to $600 a camera. Options for Power over ethernet is a plus. Axis has software to make this all a premium investment ($?)

    The CCTV cards vary and are particular to the chipset in your motherboard. 30fps is supposed to be real time. A card that advertises 30fps... well devide that by how many cameras you want/card can handle. about $600 for an 8 port card on the cheap end. You will need to buy analog cameras. You may have to purchase the software ($400)

    Video/Network server Axis is about $400 to $600 for a 4 camera server. The cameras can be cheaper analog types.

    I need about 5 cameras to watch the house in a pinwheel configuration so they watch each other.
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    Re: Network Cameras Home Security - advice?

    Quote Originally Posted by ND4SPD View Post
    You guys ever watch "It takes a thief" on Discovery? In the last episode I saw they jacked a police station.
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    Re: Network Cameras Home Security - advice?

    I picked up a cheap (on woot) Motorola wireless system for about $85 with 2 wireless cameras, a light control, and a door/window switch. Right now it means the computer has to run for it to do anything, but not bad for general monitoring.

    One of the things it can do is by subscribing to the service, which is under $10 a month, when the motion detection cameras are set of, either pictures or video can be sent to up to 4 phones and/or email addresses. You can be notified immediately, with proof of who it is, and have it all stored at a remote server (for free if you are on yahoo or google, etc.).

    Get the phone message, verify the picture isn't of someone that should be there, call the police, and get them red handed. Sounds like a pretty good and inexpensive plan to me

    I'd like to look into a little better, and the integrated kit shown is pretty nice, but likely overkill for my situation.
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