DST - Will you guys in the US stop messing with stuff

Purpdust · 02-26-2007, 06:29 PM

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The United States has changed the date upon which Daylight Savings Time (DST) begins and Canada has decided to follow suit. Therefore, this year DST will begin on March 11th at 2AM

How does this save energy??

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Impact to our Systems
We are impacted by this new standard because we must update our systems so that they can correctly account for the time change over the extended Daylight Savings period (3 weeks earlier in the spring and one week later in the fall). Applications that are affected by the DST change are those that perform calculations with time, and include our main operating systems (Windows and Solaris) and key applications (Outlook and Oracle).

Vendors have recently made updates available to affected applications, and over the next two weeks, we will be using our regularly scheduled maintenance windows to update our systems to handle the DST change.Because of the number of systems that must be upgraded, and the subsequent testing that must be performed, we expect that the DST updates will be the only work that can be performed during the regularly scheduled outage windows. Where possible all non-emergency application changes will be deferred until after March 11.

Impact to You
You may already have noticed that some of your calendar items in Outlook are displaced by an hour if they occur between March 11th at 2AM and April 1st at 2AM, or that meeting notices you have sent that occur during the extended DST period appear to be incorrectly recorded (one hour later) on other people’s calendars. Until all updates have been applied to our servers and workstations, meetings scheduled during the extended DST period may appear to ‘move’ on their own.

To help manage your calendar items we recommend the following:

·Do not adjust any meetings that are displaying incorrectly until we have completed our updates on March 10th. If you manually adjust a meeting time, it could result in the meeting showing up one hour early once all the systems have been updated.

·For meetings that occur between March 11th and April 1st, include the meeting start and end time in the subject line. For example, “Project Kickoff meeting – 8:30AM to 9:30AM”.

Depending on the ability of our vendors to deliver the updates on time, we may be required to extend the normal weekend outage window to begin on Friday March 9th, at 6pm. If we do not need to use this window, we will alert you as soon as possible.

If you have any questions, please contact the Service Desk at

Mojave954 · 02-26-2007, 07:17 PM

We turn on our lights an hr later. I dunno.

luvtolean · 02-26-2007, 07:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Mojave954

We turn on our lights an hr later. I dunno.

That is basically it.

Totally stupid political solution to a non-existent problem.

Sorry you got drug into our silly

too Purp.

navydevildoc · 02-26-2007, 07:47 PM

It's going to be a real pain in the ass for all of us in IT. If you didn't patch systems, you will be in for a surprise.

The fun really starts when all the embedded systems everywhere that run security, HVAC, lighting, industrial control, etc all lose an hour. So a building that normally would be nice and toasty warm in the morning when everyone shows up is more like a meat locker.

It's nothing that is going to make the world end, but it's annoying as all hell.

luvtolean · 02-26-2007, 07:52 PM

I predict far more annoyance than the Y2K "scare".

ND4SPD · 02-26-2007, 07:54 PM

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Originally Posted by luvtolean

I predict far more annoyance than the Y2K "scare".

Yep, mainly because this didn't get much publicity. There will be many people that overlook the "memo" that'll be issued 2 days before.

luvtolean · 02-26-2007, 07:56 PM

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Originally Posted by ND4SPD

Yep, mainly because this didn't get much publicity.

Exactly.

Mojave954 · 02-26-2007, 08:07 PM

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Originally Posted by navydevildoc

It's going to be a real pain in the ass for all of us in IT. If you didn't patch systems, you will be in for a surprise.

The fun really starts when all the embedded systems everywhere that run security, HVAC, lighting, industrial control, etc all lose an hour. So a building that normally would be nice and toasty warm in the morning when everyone shows up is more like a meat locker.

It's nothing that is going to make the world end, but it's annoying as all hell.

What really screws us up at my plant are the "secure" systems that don't get the patch "pushed" them automatically. Oh and guess what? The IT peeps have the systems LOCKED down so not even us admin types can make the change. Nice, real nice.

abtech · 02-27-2007, 07:37 AM

TZedit.exe available on the Microsoft site takes care of 90% of the issues for systems that read from the local clock. They also have TZmove to adjust recurring appointments in Outlook/Exchange.

All of our installations get time from their internal NTP servers which have already been adjusted.

Mojave954 · 02-27-2007, 07:55 AM

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Originally Posted by abtech

TZedit.exe available on the Microsoft site takes care of 90% of the issues for systems that read from the local clock. They also have TZmove to adjust recurring appointments in Outlook/Exchange.

All of our installations get time from their internal NTP servers which have already been adjusted.

I find it very sad that I understood all that.

Hamburglar · 02-27-2007, 09:24 AM

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Originally Posted by luvtolean

I predict far more annoyance than the Y2K "scare".

I am still stockpiling shotgun shells and spam just incase.

quick26 · 02-27-2007, 09:30 AM

i wonder if the cell phones will automatically change or if they did not update them. it should make for a good pain in the ars

TornadoB8 · 02-27-2007, 10:58 AM

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Originally Posted by quick26

i wonder if the cell phones will automatically change or if they did not update them. it should make for a good pain in the ars

I'm in the process of installing a CFT to our system just so everyone will have the right time stamp on their voicemail, text messges, etc..

abtech · 02-27-2007, 12:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Hamburglar

I am still stockpiling shotgun shells and spam just incase.

I can have all of my spam forwarded to you

navydevildoc · 02-27-2007, 01:24 PM

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Originally Posted by quick26

i wonder if the cell phones will automatically change or if they did not update them. it should make for a good pain in the ars

Depends on the phone and the network. So, in other words, who knows.

navydevildoc · 02-27-2007, 01:32 PM

We are having a bitch of a time with a bunch of customers that use GPS clock sources to generate IRIG time code for various things. Luckily, most of the critical crap uses UTC anyway, which doesn't change, or a custom "Epoch" that is different for each system.

However, most of the time generators will also provide Local time, which is really going to be a pain in the ass as some are patchable, while others are not. This will require manually changing the time zone so it syncs right, and then changing it again when DST used to happen. For that day or so before they all get changed, some systems will be on correct time, some will not. To make matters worse, some systems send the time zone with the local time code stream, so changing the time zone on the time generator will have the end device change it back as it has a timezone mismatch and think it needs to subtract or add an hour.

I know some projects I work on are not doing any testing or anything critical for a few days after until they work out the kinks. Then they get to do it all again in about a month as the non-updated systems try to automatically change their time zone. This will be a 4 times a year thing until they get rid of the legacy equipment. This is NOT easy with some projects, as it is highly customized setups.

CBR929RE · 02-27-2007, 01:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Mojave954

I find it very sad that I understood all that.

I understood that to mean Yamaha has somehow made a strategic alliance with Microsoft to put Windows software in the race bike's engine management system.

Purpdust · 02-27-2007, 01:51 PM

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Originally Posted by CBR929RE

I understood that to mean Yamaha has somehow made a strategic alliance with Microsoft to put Windows software in the race bike's engine management system.

Yamaha runs Miscrosoft, now it all makes sense

navydevildoc · 02-27-2007, 01:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Purpdust

Yamaha runs Miscrosoft, now it all makes sense

So that's why all those R6 tachs were so far off...

jose_jimenez · 02-27-2007, 02:12 PM

Damn, that is the morning of the first GP race, which sucks. I'll get about 4 hours sleep

abtech · 02-27-2007, 02:21 PM

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Originally Posted by navydevildoc

So that's why all those R6 tachs were so far off...

Actually, they used a C++ subroutine to calculate the rpm after resolving to 32 places . . .

seamus · 03-11-2007, 09:20 AM

Well, it only took me 45 minutes to unf**k the Microsoft patches for Outlook and Windows Mobile this morning.

Seems the change to my laptops clock somehow managed to make my appointments a half hour early. How the hell MS managed that I'll never know.

Downloaded the patches for Outlook and Windows Mobile and they collectively set my PDA clock back an hour (undid the DST setting) and pushed my appointments back to a full hour early.

I ended up going into Outlook and resetting each individual appointment's start time to the correct time to fix it. Thank [insert diety here] I planned ahead and didn't add any more appointments after I heard about the DST change.

SheepOfBlue · 03-11-2007, 09:33 AM

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Originally Posted by luvtolean

That is basically it.

Totally stupid political solution to a non-existent problem.

Sorry you got drug into our silly

too Purp.

+1 this is what happens when lawyers practice science.

EDIT:

I thought they changed tonight now the riding plan is an hour off

SomeStrangeGuy · 03-11-2007, 09:39 AM

02-26-2007, 07:17 PM	#2
Mojave954 Join Date: 12-18-2006 Bike(s): 08 FJR, 08 R 1200 GS Posts: 921	Re: DST - Will you guys in the US stop messing with stuff We turn on our lights an hr later. I dunno.

02-26-2007, 07:47 PM	#4
navydevildoc Smog is better. Join Date: 12-13-2006 Location: Sunny San Diego Bike(s): Aprilia RSV-R Posts: 1,340	Re: DST - Will you guys in the US stop messing with stuff It's going to be a real pain in the ass for all of us in IT. If you didn't patch systems, you will be in for a surprise. The fun really starts when all the embedded systems everywhere that run security, HVAC, lighting, industrial control, etc all lose an hour. So a building that normally would be nice and toasty warm in the morning when everyone shows up is more like a meat locker. It's nothing that is going to make the world end, but it's annoying as all hell. __________________ Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable. - JFK, 1962

02-26-2007, 07:52 PM	#5
luvtolean Join Date: 12-13-2006 Location: SF Bay Area, CA Bike(s): 2008 BMW GS-A Posts: 6,731	Re: DST - Will you guys in the US stop messing with stuff I predict far more annoyance than the Y2K "scare". __________________ The inherent vice of capitalism is the unequal sharing of blessings; the inherent virtue of socialism is the equal sharing of miseries. - Winston Churchill

02-27-2007, 07:37 AM	#9
abtech Believe Join Date: 12-14-2006 Age: 59 Bike(s): 66 Puch Scrambler Posts: 3,446	Re: DST - Will you guys in the US stop messing with stuff TZedit.exe available on the Microsoft site takes care of 90% of the issues for systems that read from the local clock. They also have TZmove to adjust recurring appointments in Outlook/Exchange. All of our installations get time from their internal NTP servers which have already been adjusted. __________________ Now in stereo AAA doesn't only refer to the Auto Club . . . and Seamus is awesome

02-27-2007, 09:30 AM	#12
quick26 Join Date: 12-18-2006 Location: Elizabeth City, NC Age: 25 Bike(s): 06 TRX 450r Posts: 1,613	Re: DST - Will you guys in the US stop messing with stuff i wonder if the cell phones will automatically change or if they did not update them. it should make for a good pain in the ars __________________ I am not post whoring, I am providing an abundance of useless opinion.

02-27-2007, 01:32 PM	#16
navydevildoc Smog is better. Join Date: 12-13-2006 Location: Sunny San Diego Bike(s): Aprilia RSV-R Posts: 1,340	Re: DST - Will you guys in the US stop messing with stuff We are having a bitch of a time with a bunch of customers that use GPS clock sources to generate IRIG time code for various things. Luckily, most of the critical crap uses UTC anyway, which doesn't change, or a custom "Epoch" that is different for each system. However, most of the time generators will also provide Local time, which is really going to be a pain in the ass as some are patchable, while others are not. This will require manually changing the time zone so it syncs right, and then changing it again when DST used to happen. For that day or so before they all get changed, some systems will be on correct time, some will not. To make matters worse, some systems send the time zone with the local time code stream, so changing the time zone on the time generator will have the end device change it back as it has a timezone mismatch and think it needs to subtract or add an hour. I know some projects I work on are not doing any testing or anything critical for a few days after until they work out the kinks. Then they get to do it all again in about a month as the non-updated systems try to automatically change their time zone. This will be a 4 times a year thing until they get rid of the legacy equipment. This is NOT easy with some projects, as it is highly customized setups. __________________ Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable. - JFK, 1962

02-27-2007, 02:12 PM	#20
jose_jimenez Jonah for prez! Join Date: 01-05-2007 Bike(s): Hurricane Posts: 2,101	Re: DST - Will you guys in the US stop messing with stuff Damn, that is the morning of the first GP race, which sucks. I'll get about 4 hours sleep

03-11-2007, 09:20 AM	#22
seamus is feelin alright Join Date: 12-13-2006 Location: Rocket City Age: 34 Bike(s): 1KRR; VFR; FMX650 Posts: 5,741	Re: DST - Will you guys in the US stop messing with stuff Well, it only took me 45 minutes to unfk the Microsoft patches for Outlook and Windows Mobile this morning. Seems the change to my laptops clock somehow managed to make my appointments a half hour** early. How the hell MS managed that I'll never know. Downloaded the patches for Outlook and Windows Mobile and they collectively set my PDA clock back an hour (undid the DST setting) and pushed my appointments back to a full hour early. I ended up going into Outlook and resetting each individual appointment's start time to the correct time to fix it. Thank [insert diety here] I planned ahead and didn't add any more appointments after I heard about the DST change. __________________ Ducit Amor Patriae Richard Herald, The Gentle Giant The nation that makes a great distinction between its scholars and its warriors will have its thinking done by cowards and its fighting done by fools. --- Thucydides

03-11-2007, 09:39 AM	#24
SomeStrangeGuy BMW Snob in Training Join Date: 12-13-2006 Location: Debt, where else? Bike(s): GS / KLR Posts: 4,062	Re: DST - Will you guys in the US stop messing with stuff