400 HP 110 mPG 87 Mustang?

Repeater · 07-02-2008, 09:48 PM

Not sure if this guy is the real deal but it would be great to have a V8 again!

Engineer Gets 110 MPG Out Of '87 Mustang - Automotive News Story - WKMG Orlando

Original Specs.

Engine Types for the 1987, 1988, 1989, 1990, 1991, 1992, 1993 Ford Mustang:
ohc I-4: 2.3 liters; 88-105 horsepower
ohv V-8: 5.0 liters; 225-235 horsepower

ND4SPD · 07-02-2008, 10:09 PM

I have no doubt in my mind it's possible. The trick amongst others is mass producing it reliably and maintaining cost effectiveness.

A good buddy of mine's grandfather bought some sort of Chevy back in the 60's. Took it back to the dealership several times over a 3 week span because the fuel gauge stayed at full. The dealer kept insisting that the gauge was fine and even replaced it. It ended up turning out that someone from GM came out and asked to have the carburetor replaced on the car because it was 'experimental' and should've never left the factory. He was getting about 60mpg out of the thing. Things that make you go...

Getsome · 07-02-2008, 10:10 PM

you would almost think that someone out there would want to prevent something like that from hitting the market. would bring the demand for oil so far down it wouldn't be funny...

ND4SPD · 07-02-2008, 10:12 PM

It sure would help the rest of the economy though, wouldn't it?

BobcatSig · 07-03-2008, 10:36 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ND4SPD

I have no doubt in my mind it's possible. The trick amongst others is mass producing it reliably and maintaining cost effectiveness.

A good buddy of mine's grandfather bought some sort of Chevy back in the 60's. Took it back to the dealership several times over a 3 week span because the fuel gauge stayed at full. The dealer kept insisting that the gauge was fine and even replaced it. It ended up turning out that someone from GM came out and asked to have the carburetor replaced on the car because it was 'experimental' and should've never left the factory. He was getting about 60mpg out of the thing. Things that make you go...

Don't make me go all snopes-a-palooza on you!

luvtolean · 07-03-2008, 10:41 AM

8% efficiency?

Ah, no. Your average naturally aspirated Otto Cycle engine is in the ~25% range. I've also seen it simplified, 1/3 out the radiator, 1/3 out the tailpipe, 1/3 into the transmission.

There are some things that people have done stratified charge, adiabatic engines, all sorts of stuff, but even Smokey Yunick Himself couldn't get it to a point it was more than a shop project.

There will be some good stuff coming I'm sure, but it won't be the mythical "Fisher Carburetor".

If you're bored, go poke around the USPTO website, there are plenty of interesting ideas people have patented on this stuff.

SerialThriller · 07-03-2008, 05:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Getsome

you would almost think that someone out there would want to prevent something like that from hitting the market. would bring the demand for oil so far down it wouldn't be funny...

What gives you that idea?
"I could have sold this [technology] off, but then people might not have seen it."

phobe · 07-03-2008, 06:36 PM

When stories start off with "my good buddy's grandfather" my bullshit detector buries the needle.

ND4SPD · 07-03-2008, 06:39 PM

Take it FWIW, I wasn't there, neither was my buddy but I don't know either of them to be liars.

phobe · 07-03-2008, 06:39 PM

Quote:

Pelmear told television station WNWO that the car hasn't traded power for miles per gallon. Pelmear said the car has 400 horsepower, goes well over 100 mph and can go from zero to 60 mph in three seconds.

Any independent verification here? No?

phobe · 07-03-2008, 06:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ND4SPD

Take it FWIW, I wasn't there, neither was my buddy but I don't know either of them to be liars.

I'll bet it was actually the grandfather's good buddy.

asiliat · 07-03-2008, 09:06 PM

Could it be this urban legend: snopes.com: Miracle Carburetor

07-02-2008, 09:48 PM	#1
Repeater Join Date: 12-28-2006 Age: 33 Bike(s): F4I Posts: 524	400 HP 110 mPG 87 Mustang? Not sure if this guy is the real deal but it would be great to have a V8 again! Engineer Gets 110 MPG Out Of '87 Mustang - Automotive News Story - WKMG Orlando Original Specs. Engine Types for the 1987, 1988, 1989, 1990, 1991, 1992, 1993 Ford Mustang: ohc I-4: 2.3 liters; 88-105 horsepower ohv V-8: 5.0 liters; 225-235 horsepower __________________ NASMR - National Association for Stock Motorcycle Racing . Really doesn't roll off your tongue the same does it?

07-02-2008, 10:09 PM	#2
ND4SPD I'm BATMAN!!! Join Date: 12-12-2006 Bike(s): Trek Posts: 8,041 Images: 25	I have no doubt in my mind it's possible. The trick amongst others is mass producing it reliably and maintaining cost effectiveness. A good buddy of mine's grandfather bought some sort of Chevy back in the 60's. Took it back to the dealership several times over a 3 week span because the fuel gauge stayed at full. The dealer kept insisting that the gauge was fine and even replaced it. It ended up turning out that someone from GM came out and asked to have the carburetor replaced on the car because it was 'experimental' and should've never left the factory. He was getting about 60mpg out of the thing. Things that make you go... __________________ "This is your life - are you who you want to be?" Learn all you need to know about Mac OS X

07-02-2008, 10:10 PM	#3
Getsome MSF RiderCoach Join Date: 12-27-2006 Location: Bristol, TN Age: 34 Bike(s): 05 CBR 1000RR Posts: 152	you would almost think that someone out there would want to prevent something like that from hitting the market. would bring the demand for oil so far down it wouldn't be funny... __________________ www.myspace.com/getsome122

07-02-2008, 10:12 PM	#4
ND4SPD I'm BATMAN!!! Join Date: 12-12-2006 Bike(s): Trek Posts: 8,041 Images: 25	It sure would help the rest of the economy though, wouldn't it? __________________ "This is your life - are you who you want to be?" Learn all you need to know about Mac OS X

07-03-2008, 10:41 AM	#6
luvtolean Join Date: 12-13-2006 Location: SF Bay Area, CA Bike(s): 2008 BMW GS-A Posts: 6,336	8% efficiency? Ah, no. Your average naturally aspirated Otto Cycle engine is in the ~25% range. I've also seen it simplified, 1/3 out the radiator, 1/3 out the tailpipe, 1/3 into the transmission. There are some things that people have done stratified charge, adiabatic engines, all sorts of stuff, but even Smokey Yunick Himself couldn't get it to a point it was more than a shop project. There will be some good stuff coming I'm sure, but it won't be the mythical "Fisher Carburetor". If you're bored, go poke around the USPTO website, there are plenty of interesting ideas people have patented on this stuff. __________________ Someone needs to present the facts and the physics rather than just the rhetoric. Poor old Carmelo doesn't understand the physics of a motorcycle. - Jerry Burgess, on spec tires and changing engine rules Last edited by luvtolean; 07-03-2008 at 11:01 AM.

07-03-2008, 06:36 PM	#8
phobe circa 1970 Join Date: 12-17-2006 Age: 26 Bike(s): 600RR, 125R Posts: 4,632	When stories start off with "my good buddy's grandfather" my bullshit detector buries the needle. __________________ Cum hoc, ergo propter hoc

07-03-2008, 06:39 PM	#9
ND4SPD I'm BATMAN!!! Join Date: 12-12-2006 Bike(s): Trek Posts: 8,041 Images: 25	Take it FWIW, I wasn't there, neither was my buddy but I don't know either of them to be liars. __________________ "This is your life - are you who you want to be?" Learn all you need to know about Mac OS X

07-03-2008, 09:06 PM	#12
asiliat Join Date: 01-10-2007 Bike(s): 2K 929 Posts: 550	Could it be this urban legend: snopes.com: Miracle Carburetor

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