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Automakers' struggles affecting NASCAR - Yahoo! News

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TraumaOne

nope... Even ford just sank another 10 mil into Rousch...

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TraumaOne

Oh, and its NASCAR not Nascar...

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SomeStrangeGuy

More like NASCRAP , and I didn't think the car's really mattered anyways, you guys just go there to see the pretty colors dontcha and get free chaw

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DoctorFell

My local representative's claim to progress is the fact that he's petitioning to have NASCAR recognized as America's national sport. WE ARE MOVING FORWARD HERE, PEOPLE. Please keep all hands and hair inside the Dale Earnhardt memorial tram as the betterment of the United States jumps to light speed.

TraumaOne

No... it is NASCAR.

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quick26

i think that they have gotten away from the stock car racing a long time ago. i sitll go every now and then, but its getting way to comercialized like pro wrestliing

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TraumaOne

The car manufacturers still sink lots of money into it as well. More for brand pride/bragging rights as far as I can tell for their whole line, not just for the "model" of car that is racing...

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Heavy-Dee

Anybody watching the Rolex 24 at Daytona this weekend?

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quick26

if i am around the house i might

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luvtolean

When NASCRAP let Toyota come in and shit all over the only rule that NASCRAP had that was useful, they were dead to me. (not that I was ever much of a fan)

One of the great things about NASCRAP was they required the teams not to use a "stock car", but they forced the teams to offer all of their NASCRAP engine bits in the respective manufacturer's performance catalogs. This was a boon to grass roots racers and hot rodders.

Well, Toyota refused to make any of their engine or parts available to the public, and NASSHIT let them get away with it.

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nedro

I know Tide and Viagra race in nascar, but I have no idea if there's a Ford, Chevy, or Harley motor in them. Nor do I care. I'd rather watch grass grow on the H&G channel. But I don't do that either.

phobe

Good thing they only lost, what, 7 billion last quarter? Otherwise they wouldn't be able to afford stuff like that.

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Scout

I think it was 12 billion. Must have been the partnering with Harley Davidson.

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Crash

There are people who hate NASCRAP and there is you. Tell us how you really feel LTL.

I agree to a extent that the racing has had a wonderful trickle down effect for hot rodders. But allowing to Toyota to race is a good thing for a series that I used to follow religiously. (I say that because I feel like a reformed smoker when it comes to this series, no-one hates it more than me).

Toyota has been pouring tons of money and resources into the US by opening plants and design centers. In effect most of the cars they sell in the US are built in the US. Kinda makes them right for the series.

Discuss....

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luvtolean

What is there to discuss?

Toyota came in with dollars and NASSHIT bent the rules for them. Toyota wasn't willing to sell the good stuff to the unwashed American masses. Only their overpriced trucks and shitty cars.

Let them obey the rules, like the Big 3, or let them go home.

This also increases the cost of racing in NASCRAP, and will end some of the hipo stuff being available from the Big 3.

Fuckers.

BTW, they build plants here to increase their profitability by avoiding import tariffs, not to mention some pretty severe labor shortages in Japan which are projected to get real bad.

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Scout

The death of Nascar?



PLEASE

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smoothrideronli

You mean wrestling isnt real...

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Crash

So basically Toyota is doing in NASCRAP what Ducati has been doing in WSBK for years? Making the FIM bend the rules to suit them.

Why should our sanctioning bodies for professional racing be any different from any of the International bodies.

Fact is, sponsership in any form isn't a big payoff. The returns aren't nearly equal to the cost. NASCRAP is no different in that it's getting more expensive every year and the manufacturers aren't turning the profits they did from 5-10 years ago. If parts stop coming down its because they aren't making money on them anymore. Let thrid party builders come up with that stuff while the Big 3 focus on core vehicle sales and becoming profitable again.

Personally, I hope that NASCRAP goes back to being a third tier sport again and gets off it's current 30+ channels so I can watch more interesting things, like how to make a fly swater on the Discovery Channel.

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smoothrideronli

So how did you fall away from NAS...(put whatever derogatory ending here)...not that I could imagine it would be hard to do. I think I have watched a total of 15 mins combined of NASCAR my entire life...and I want them all back...even the mins I was sleeping.

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abtech

I keep telling you: it's ASSCAR .

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TraumaOne

You guys suck at spelling... its NASCAR. SHeesh. If you don't like/watch the racing then don't bitch about what changes are being made.

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luvtolean

I like the parts made for the series, and like the racing industry it's funded in the US. I really liked the fact that it generated technology for motorheads like me. I can go order a Roush alternator fer Chrissakes! That's cool! (and believe me, they aren't selling those because it's profitable) Call Del West for Ti valves, Carillo for rods, JE for pistons...

I really hate that they're turning it into a more closed shop thing with the changes brought on by allowing Toyota to come in with a proprietary engine package, that they don't have to sell to anyone.

It's not like the Ducati guys. HRC stuff is typically very difficult to get too. Kawi and Suzi? Suzi is probably the easiest through Yosh. But that stuff only has to be available for racers.

If I had the pocketbook, I could order up a NASCAR engine to bolt in my station wagon if I wanted. So while they weren't stock cars, they still had some semblance of a street car.

But I believe Toyota will be changing this. NASCRAP engines will now only be available to the teams. Just like F1 or any other high level series.

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Crash

Many moons ago I lived in South Carolina. My best buddy and roommate is entrenched in the North Carolina moonshine business from way back when. His family was connected to all the earliest and most famous names in NASCAR lore. So much so that when I was hanging out with him, his father was still doing the books for several of the teams, Kodiak being one of them when Ricky Craven was coming up through the ranks of the then Winston Cup.

I traveled with the team to almost all the events within a reasonable distance from Charleston like Daytona, Darlington, Charlotte, Talladega, etc… Die hard fan to the point where I had gotten a sun burn at Darlington one year while wearing a huge “3” on my chest and back in permanent marker, the white after image lasted almost a year and I wore it with pride.

All good things come to an end. Day becomes night, Pluto is no longer a planet, Dale passed, and I moved away from the South. Upon leaving I tried to continue my passion but it wasn’t to be. I could no longer comprehend the purpose of driving in a circle. I philosophized on the meaning the term “Sport” as it applies to the series and just failed to grasp it. The men driving aren’t hero’s, they possess no special talent or moral character. Most couldn’t run a mile at a moments notice. I saw the man behind the curtain for what he really was.

Plus I stopped drinking like a fish...

Does that work?

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