MMP 2007 What is the MIller track shown on google earth?

CBRVFR · 06-19-2007, 10:58 AM

I'm guessing that the satellite picture on google earth/maps is much older than the current track configuration - it doesn't even look like the same place.

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Maybe I've located BDA's backyard.

quick26 · 06-19-2007, 11:26 AM

possibly

navydevildoc · 06-19-2007, 11:29 AM

On google earth, it's very, very old. There is a huge sprawling complex there now.

Miller got its start as a car track for Larry Miller and his friends to have fun, but evolved into the track it is today.

CBRVFR · 06-19-2007, 11:32 AM

OK, next question - What direction do they run the tracks? And when you ride the "whole thing", what is the configuration?

phobe · 06-19-2007, 11:40 AM

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Originally Posted by CBRVFR

OK, next question - What direction do they run the tracks? And when you ride the "whole thing", what is the configuration?

The full track is run counterclockwise and the east and west are linked together on the front straight and a smaller inside back straight. I think it is 4.5 miles and ~24 turns. Freaking awesome.

edit: I think AMA just runs the perimeter, cutting out all the fun middle stuff.

bda116 · 06-19-2007, 12:32 PM

That is a go-kart track, called Black Rock, that was built around 2000 to be included in the Deseret Peak complex, which is all that stuff in the lower part of that area if you zoom out in Google Earth. A couple MotoX tracks, equestrian park, water park, rodeo/derby grounds, firefighters museum, etc. All in all the combined complexes are quite large.
When Larry bought the 500+ acres to build the track, they took out the relatively new kart track to put in the complex, and a good part of the reason MMP included an even better karting facility.
The land that kart track sits on is where the Black Rock hairpin (and hence the name) is on the track - the hairpin in the upper right of the MMP map. The parking lot and control tower still exist, and can be seen in vids (like bwhip's) of the place.

There has only ever been one build of the MMP complex, it was done very quickly once all the permits were in. In concept he initially just planned on a simple ribbon of asphalt, but the concept grew into what it is today before any construction began.
Well, by "done" I mean where it is at now. They are always adding. Last year there were more porta-potties and temporary food stands, now there are permanent buildings all around the place. Nice, air conditioned flushing toilets are everywhere.
More grandstands this year and more paved areas as well.

The AMA ran the perimeter last year due to Speed requiring more money for the extra cameras and infrastructure to run them.
MMP has installed camera points in the "infield" now, but the AMA will run the perimeter, thus cutting out some of the best parts of the track, again this year. Should do the full next.
Most all of the riders bitched about it last year, but everyone knows how well the AMA listens.

bda116 · 06-19-2007, 01:05 PM

This is more or less how the track sits in relation to the Google Earth image. Quick and dirty rendering, I don't have time for a nice one just now.
And I put red Xs on the portions not used when running the full course.

quick26 · 06-19-2007, 01:07 PM

how long is it on full course?

phobe · 06-19-2007, 01:08 PM

About 3 minutes and 28 seconds if you're slow.

CBRVFR · 06-19-2007, 01:14 PM

That is going to be a real treat.

quick26 · 06-19-2007, 01:19 PM

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Originally Posted by phobiaphobe

About 3 minutes and 28 seconds if you're slow.

what about distance wise?

bda116 · 06-19-2007, 01:22 PM

Phoube post #5 has it right.

The fast clubber AMA riders do the full thing in ~2:50 - 2:55 on superbike 1000s.
The same crew on their 600s are ~ 3:00 - 3:05

CBRVFR · 06-19-2007, 02:24 PM

The brochure says that each of the separate East-West tracks are 2.2 miles long, the full thing is 4.5, and the perimeter is 3.2.

bwhip · 06-19-2007, 02:35 PM

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Originally Posted by quick26

how long is it on full course?

3:18 on a 600 in light rain.

(but hopefully better next time)

4.486 miles of smooth, wide, curving bliss.

RAH-VFR · 06-19-2007, 02:53 PM

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Originally Posted by CBRVFR

I'm guessing that the satellite picture on google earth/maps is much older than the current track configuration - it doesn't even look like the same place.

Great Observation

CBRVFR · 06-19-2007, 02:57 PM

It was looking closer after a big margarita, but ... nahhhhhhhhhh.

I was going to suggest you study the map on google before we go....

RAH-VFR · 06-19-2007, 03:05 PM

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Originally Posted by CBRVFR

Heavy-Dee · 06-19-2007, 03:21 PM

Miller is for pansies.

bwhip · 06-19-2007, 03:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Heavy-Dee

Miller is for pansies.

Easy for your slow ass to say when you're not coming. [hey, it worked for getting you to Grattan!

]

Heavy-Dee · 06-19-2007, 03:46 PM

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Originally Posted by bwhip

Easy for your slow ass to say when you're not coming. [hey, it worked for getting you to Grattan!

]

One day my friend. one day...

phobe · 06-19-2007, 03:59 PM

It is definitely for sissies... in this case sissies meaning "people who want to ride their motorcycle on a perfect pristine track"

bda116 · 06-19-2007, 04:05 PM

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Originally Posted by phobiaphobe

It is definitely for sissies... in this case sissies meaning "people who want to ride their motorcycle on a perfect pristine track"

It's not pristine. Remember, there is a bump just at the entrance to the three Ds.

phobe · 06-19-2007, 04:09 PM

Ya what a shithole.

Heavy-Dee · 06-19-2007, 04:10 PM

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Originally Posted by phobiaphobe

Ya what a shithole.

Ban it.

tigerblade · 06-19-2007, 04:33 PM

Sunny and I are moving to Utah to be among the beautiful mountains, pristine tracks, and godless Mormons.

SheepOfBlue · 06-19-2007, 04:57 PM

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06-19-2007, 10:58 AM	#1
CBRVFR Godspeed, #20 Join Date: 12-13-2006 Age: 55 Bike(s): VFR750 SV650 TZ250 Posts: 5,040	What is the MIller track shown on google earth? I'm guessing that the satellite picture on google earth/maps is much older than the current track configuration - it doesn't even look like the same place. Satellite: Brochure : Maybe I've located BDA's backyard. __________________ "...the TV also never took away the screwdriver and shoved it up the repairman's ass." Our own Mr.2nd Amendment, explaining the difference. Perfectly. Rich Herald, the Gentle Giant

06-19-2007, 11:26 AM	#2
quick26 Join Date: 12-18-2006 Location: Elizabeth City, NC Age: 25 Bike(s): 06 TRX 450r Posts: 1,613	Re: What is the MIller track shown on google earth? possibly __________________ I am not post whoring, I am providing an abundance of useless opinion.

06-19-2007, 11:29 AM	#3
navydevildoc Smog is better. Join Date: 12-13-2006 Bike(s): Aprilia RSV-R Posts: 1,270	Re: What is the MIller track shown on google earth? On google earth, it's very, very old. There is a huge sprawling complex there now. Miller got its start as a car track for Larry Miller and his friends to have fun, but evolved into the track it is today. __________________ Chuck Norris can divide by zero.

06-19-2007, 11:32 AM	#4
CBRVFR Godspeed, #20 Join Date: 12-13-2006 Age: 55 Bike(s): VFR750 SV650 TZ250 Posts: 5,040	Re: What is the MIller track shown on google earth? OK, next question - What direction do they run the tracks? And when you ride the "whole thing", what is the configuration? __________________ "...the TV also never took away the screwdriver and shoved it up the repairman's ass." Our own Mr.2nd Amendment, explaining the difference. Perfectly. Rich Herald, the Gentle Giant

06-19-2007, 12:32 PM	#6
bda116 Done. Join Date: 12-17-2006 Bike(s): . Posts: 2,113	Re: What is the MIller track shown on google earth? That is a go-kart track, called Black Rock, that was built around 2000 to be included in the Deseret Peak complex, which is all that stuff in the lower part of that area if you zoom out in Google Earth. A couple MotoX tracks, equestrian park, water park, rodeo/derby grounds, firefighters museum, etc. All in all the combined complexes are quite large. When Larry bought the 500+ acres to build the track, they took out the relatively new kart track to put in the complex, and a good part of the reason MMP included an even better karting facility. The land that kart track sits on is where the Black Rock hairpin (and hence the name) is on the track - the hairpin in the upper right of the MMP map. The parking lot and control tower still exist, and can be seen in vids (like bwhip's) of the place. There has only ever been one build of the MMP complex, it was done very quickly once all the permits were in. In concept he initially just planned on a simple ribbon of asphalt, but the concept grew into what it is today before any construction began. Well, by "done" I mean where it is at now. They are always adding. Last year there were more porta-potties and temporary food stands, now there are permanent buildings all around the place. Nice, air conditioned flushing toilets are everywhere. More grandstands this year and more paved areas as well. The AMA ran the perimeter last year due to Speed requiring more money for the extra cameras and infrastructure to run them. MMP has installed camera points in the "infield" now, but the AMA will run the perimeter, thus cutting out some of the best parts of the track, again this year. Should do the full next. Most all of the riders bitched about it last year, but everyone knows how well the AMA listens. __________________ "Islam isn't in America to be equal to any other faith, but to become dominant. The Koran should be the highest authority in America, and Islam the only accepted religion on Earth." - Omar M. Ahmad, founding chairman of CAIR. Last edited by bda116; 06-19-2007 at 12:39 PM.

06-19-2007, 01:05 PM	#7
bda116 Done. Join Date: 12-17-2006 Bike(s): . Posts: 2,113	Re: What is the MIller track shown on google earth? This is more or less how the track sits in relation to the Google Earth image. Quick and dirty rendering, I don't have time for a nice one just now. And I put red Xs on the portions not used when running the full course. Attached Thumbnails __________________ "Islam isn't in America to be equal to any other faith, but to become dominant. The Koran should be the highest authority in America, and Islam the only accepted religion on Earth." - Omar M. Ahmad, founding chairman of CAIR. Last edited by bda116; 06-19-2007 at 01:13 PM.

06-19-2007, 01:07 PM	#8
quick26 Join Date: 12-18-2006 Location: Elizabeth City, NC Age: 25 Bike(s): 06 TRX 450r Posts: 1,613	Re: What is the MIller track shown on google earth? how long is it on full course? __________________ I am not post whoring, I am providing an abundance of useless opinion.

06-19-2007, 01:08 PM	#9
phobe circa 1970 Join Date: 12-17-2006 Age: 26 Bike(s): 600RR, 125R Posts: 4,637	Re: What is the MIller track shown on google earth? About 3 minutes and 28 seconds if you're slow. __________________ Cum hoc, ergo propter hoc

06-19-2007, 01:14 PM	#10
CBRVFR Godspeed, #20 Join Date: 12-13-2006 Age: 55 Bike(s): VFR750 SV650 TZ250 Posts: 5,040	Re: What is the MIller track shown on google earth? That is going to be a real treat. __________________ "...the TV also never took away the screwdriver and shoved it up the repairman's ass." Our own Mr.2nd Amendment, explaining the difference. Perfectly. Rich Herald, the Gentle Giant

06-19-2007, 01:22 PM	#12
bda116 Done. Join Date: 12-17-2006 Bike(s): . Posts: 2,113	Re: What is the MIller track shown on google earth? Phoube post #5 has it right. The fast clubber AMA riders do the full thing in ~2:50 - 2:55 on superbike 1000s. The same crew on their 600s are ~ 3:00 - 3:05 __________________ "Islam isn't in America to be equal to any other faith, but to become dominant. The Koran should be the highest authority in America, and Islam the only accepted religion on Earth." - Omar M. Ahmad, founding chairman of CAIR. Last edited by bda116; 06-19-2007 at 01:27 PM.

06-19-2007, 02:24 PM	#13
CBRVFR Godspeed, #20 Join Date: 12-13-2006 Age: 55 Bike(s): VFR750 SV650 TZ250 Posts: 5,040	Re: What is the MIller track shown on google earth? The brochure says that each of the separate East-West tracks are 2.2 miles long, the full thing is 4.5, and the perimeter is 3.2. __________________ "...the TV also never took away the screwdriver and shoved it up the repairman's ass." Our own Mr.2nd Amendment, explaining the difference. Perfectly. Rich Herald, the Gentle Giant

06-19-2007, 02:57 PM	#16
CBRVFR Godspeed, #20 Join Date: 12-13-2006 Age: 55 Bike(s): VFR750 SV650 TZ250 Posts: 5,040	Re: What is the MIller track shown on google earth? It was looking closer after a big margarita, but ... nahhhhhhhhhh. I was going to suggest you study the map on google before we go.... __________________ "...the TV also never took away the screwdriver and shoved it up the repairman's ass." Our own Mr.2nd Amendment, explaining the difference. Perfectly. Rich Herald, the Gentle Giant

06-19-2007, 03:21 PM	#18
Heavy-Dee The Murph Join Date: 12-17-2006 Age: 31 Bike(s): 2004 GSXR 600 Posts: 2,691	Re: What is the MIller track shown on google earth? Miller is for pansies. __________________ Epic Fail

06-19-2007, 03:59 PM	#21
phobe circa 1970 Join Date: 12-17-2006 Age: 26 Bike(s): 600RR, 125R Posts: 4,637	Re: What is the MIller track shown on google earth? It is definitely for sissies... in this case sissies meaning "people who want to ride their motorcycle on a perfect pristine track" __________________ Cum hoc, ergo propter hoc

06-19-2007, 04:09 PM	#23
phobe circa 1970 Join Date: 12-17-2006 Age: 26 Bike(s): 600RR, 125R Posts: 4,637	Re: What is the MIller track shown on google earth? Ya what a shithole. __________________ Cum hoc, ergo propter hoc

06-19-2007, 04:33 PM	#25
tigerblade Just curious Join Date: 12-15-2006 Location: The MIL Age: 34 Bike(s): SV650S Posts: 2,114	Re: What is the MIller track shown on google earth? Sunny and I are moving to Utah to be among the beautiful mountains, pristine tracks, and godless Mormons. __________________ Seems that doomsday's come early this year

06-19-2007, 04:57 PM	#26
SheepOfBlue SRA President Join Date: 12-18-2006 Location: Huntsville, AL Age: 46 Bike(s): CBR1000RR, RC51, VT500FT Posts: 6,410	Re: What is the MIller track shown on google earth? Quote: