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Update,

The Honda dealer quoted my friend 800 bucks to adjust the valves since it had no compresion on the rear.

Then they call and found a snapped cam! It was a bad casting. It was just split in to in the middle. So now they up the quot to 2000.00 bucks. 400 for parts and 1600 for labor! Does this seem excessive to pull the head, replace the valves, and install a new cam?

Anyone know of a good shop in LA they trust besides the dealer?

I'll post pics when he sends them.

Thanks



I was at Button willow last weekend and my buddies RC died on track. At first we thought it was a dead battery or charging system.

He said it just stalled while riding.

He has pulled the rear cylinders plug and it has spark and smells like fuel is getting in. It will run on the front cylinder With throttle, but not idle.

He also stated it has no leaks or really hard mechanical sounds except a struggling rear piston not firing.

Could this be caused by a bad plug that still looks like it is firing or can a valve just crap out?

I am leaning to fuel and or lack of a potent spark. If it was a valve wouln't the whole bike lockup and make the guy crash or not be able to run on a single piston?

Any suggestions will be welcome I am going to go check it out in the afternoon. Hopefull i can sort something out.

Good note he did really well on my bike at the track. I am 150 and he is 200. my poor Ohlins must have been crying under his big ass!



Update:

So my Friend gets the bike back, but it doesn't sound right. The mechanic At Honda of Santa Monica, "said give it a week and if it is still the same bring it back."

After a few days it stays the same and he takes it back. They said they went ahead and adjusted the valves on the front. It kept getting worse poping and lack of power. He takes it back again and gets yelled at by the Manager of Honda of Santa Monica. The Manager of Honda of Santa Monica "says you fucked up your bike at the track and there are so many moving parts who knows what you did to it"

My buddy just paid 2k to fix it and this guy yells at him for demanding it be done right!

He had another mechanic look at it and was told he doesn't beleave they did anything to the front, but doesn't want to get into a pissing contest with honda. Well honda says"these are independent dealers if it is not under warranty we can't do anything for you!"

I think he is going to finally take it to the place Hammer recomended. They were very nice and said they would do it but since honda has it you may as well let them.

Remember Honda of Santa Monica if you have only a few parts in your motor they can fix it otherwise ummmm?

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RedRider

Does he have a PowerCommander? If so, unplug it and start from there.

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No power commander. Today i checked it out. Not firing on the rear. It has spark and fuel. The air filter is clean. Not sure whats up with it. We swapped plugs to see if it would fire on the rear using the fronts that would, but still nothing. The plugs are pretty black and there is fuel on the plug.

He has an appointment to bring it into honda on the 27th.

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ND4SPD

So the rear cylinder gets fuel and spark but it still won't fire? Check the crankcase - see how full it is. Maybe there's compression issues with that cylinder.

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DrHall

Need to do a compression check on both cylinders. You can buy a decent gauge at an auto parts store.

I am guessing a valve sealing issue, but there could be other problems.

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Thanks.

I think i'll let him take it to honda. I can do the basics but won't go very deep on someone else's bike.

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update at top

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Hammer

Crago Racing - Where performance matters one referral I got from a guy out in the LA area. He said ask for Jeff.

I have a PM in for another guy out in 1000 oaks. I will get you the info as soon as he responds.

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Thanks! I Really appreciate the help.

One F'd up thing is the quote was 80 bucks to diagnose told my friend it would be 800 then told him 2k or 240 bucks to take the bike back since they took it apart and found more wrong with it. I thought that was shady. I'm in the service buisness and would have eaten the extra time if i made a wrong call like that. And i have!

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CBR929RE

$240 to take the cam cover off is ridiculous. since they were going to check the valves thats the first thing they'd go to do and seeing the broken cam is the first thing they should see.

replacing a cam isn't that difficult, just buy a service manual in addition to the parts and you're good to go.

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I would but it's a friends bike and if i made a mistake i would hate to frag the whole motor. If it was my bike i would dive in. I would also be apprehensive in properly timing the engine.

I'm an ET not much of an MK.

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ND4SPD

Give it a week?? How would a mechanical issue with the engine magically fix itself?? I hope your buddy didn't pay the dealer - I wouldn't give them a dime until the bike was running like it should.

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Honda of Santa Monica needs a little dose of RAGE!!

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He paid, but is contesting it with Visa. Hopefully he can sort this shit out.

I had them do my valves and they returned my bike with nice black grips and black hand marks all over it. I tried to get him to take it to Cargoracing instead, but he didn't want to have to take it to the valley. Now he is taking it to them.

RAGE!!!!!

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luvtolean

That's just bullshit.

Nobody wields a bigger RAGE hammer at a repair shop than:

BAR Programs - Auto Repair

Call to make sure they cover motorcycles. If they do, your friend files a report and lets his tax dollars go to work.

CA BAR investigates EVERY complaint, and IME, the shop is guilty until proven innocent.

Good luck to the wankers at this shop.

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CBR929RE

would it be a good idea for him NOT to get the bike fixed by the other place before an inspection is done?

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luvtolean

That would be my guess. But, I've never filed a complaint so I don't know much about that part of the process. I've dealt with them in the shop a bit...

He should just call BAR before he does anything else. They'll give him the correct advice.

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Jetbdude

I would just send the bike over to Northernrr. That guy has awesome mechanical knowledge

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Cargo racing told him to go to the state auto repair board and then bring it to him. Cargo told him the guy probably didn't change the bearings like you should when changing a cam and valves.

Oh the mechanic he took it to first that didn't want to get into a pissing contest with honda said that honda had allot of the screws in the wrong place. Remember HONDA OF SANTA MONICA sucks big hairy balls!

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Sounds like one was working on the bike.

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