What is a Timing Retard Eliminator? (TRE)

nijiconfetchi · 07-11-2008, 12:28 PM

Ive been googling the heck out of that term, but never really quite understood what it was.

Any help on explaining this to me in a more entry level kinda definition.

Any input is appreciated.

luvtolean · 07-11-2008, 12:31 PM

In essence, it retards the timing, dropping the horsepower in the lower gears, so newbie squids that shouldn't be buying GSXRs are less likely to hurt themselves.

CBRVFR · 07-11-2008, 12:32 PM

From Ivan's Performance Products

Quote:

The TRE is a device which allows much better throttle response in the first 4 gears on all EFI Suzuki sportbike models.

What the manufacturer has done is to make a SEPARATE IGNITION MAP FOR EACH GEAR.
This has been done for either safety and/or emissions reasons. However, it limits the power and smoothness of your bike in the first 1/2 turn of the throttle in gears 1 through 4.

They were clever in the design of this timing retarder. It still allows full timing at full throttle. As you shift up through the gears, the amount of throttle needed to access the advance curve decreases, until you make it into 5th gear and then it's gone. You have nice, smooth operation. Wouldn't you like your bike to respond just as smoothly in the lower gears?

He invented the thing - I have his jet kit for the early SV (specific to my exhaust system) with carbs. It is very well made and effective.

nijiconfetchi · 07-11-2008, 01:17 PM

So it retards the timing....

or does it eliminate the retard on the timing...?

slickwill · 07-11-2008, 01:24 PM

Eliminates it

nijiconfetchi · 07-11-2008, 01:31 PM

Oh. Okay.

So the timing comes retarded from factory.

(no joke intended)

Im starting to understand....

You guys are the best.

slickwill · 07-11-2008, 01:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by nijiconfetchi

So the timing comes retarded from factory.

Exactly, and this device gets rid of that "retarded" timing, for better or worse.

nijiconfetchi · 07-11-2008, 09:47 PM

Ah.
Okay.
Thank you for your input.

07-11-2008, 12:28 PM	#1
nijiconfetchi Join Date: 06-18-2008 Location: Greenville, NC Age: 19 Bike(s): Still looking. Posts: 74	What is a Timing Retard Eliminator? (TRE) Ive been googling the heck out of that term, but never really quite understood what it was. Any help on explaining this to me in a more entry level kinda definition. Any input is appreciated.

07-11-2008, 12:31 PM	#2
luvtolean Join Date: 12-13-2006 Location: SF Bay Area, CA Bike(s): 2008 BMW GS-A Posts: 6,341	In essence, it retards the timing, dropping the horsepower in the lower gears, so newbie squids that shouldn't be buying GSXRs are less likely to hurt themselves. __________________ Someone needs to present the facts and the physics rather than just the rhetoric. Poor old Carmelo doesn't understand the physics of a motorcycle. - Jerry Burgess, on spec tires and changing engine rules

07-11-2008, 01:24 PM	#5
slickwill 67 Kg Join Date: 08-31-2007 Location: Idaho/Iowa Age: 29 Bike(s): Western Flyer Posts: 2,142	Eliminates it __________________ If it has wheels, I've crashed it, and some things that don't skis, snowmobile, card board box, giant tube, sentra, dirtbike, lawn tractor, grandmas bread tray, kayak, canoe, raft, bicycle, waterskis, tobaggan, horse, ATV, Now my CBR (women)

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07-11-2008, 01:17 PM	#4
nijiconfetchi Join Date: 06-18-2008 Location: Greenville, NC Age: 19 Bike(s): Still looking. Posts: 74	So it retards the timing.... or does it eliminate the retard on the timing...?

07-11-2008, 01:31 PM	#6
nijiconfetchi Join Date: 06-18-2008 Location: Greenville, NC Age: 19 Bike(s): Still looking. Posts: 74	Oh. Okay. So the timing comes retarded from factory. (no joke intended) Im starting to understand.... You guys are the best.

07-11-2008, 09:47 PM	#8
nijiconfetchi Join Date: 06-18-2008 Location: Greenville, NC Age: 19 Bike(s): Still looking. Posts: 74	Ah. Okay. Thank you for your input.