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 Originally Posted by Pat1098
OK OK. So we know for sure it's all German manufactured? The Asian-made story seemed to have some credibility, given that Mercedes and Jaguar are having vehicles made in India - Benelli in China etc.
If it's wholly German made, makes you wonder how they do it for the price. The 'Made in China' rumour, if indeed that's all it is, has certainly had some currency here.
From the March 2010 Sportrider in response to a reader who claimed that a BMW sales assistant at his local dealer said the S1000RR would be manufactured in China "We're not sure where the sales assistant got his information, but he's way off the mark. The S 1000 RRs are all assembled at BMW's massive Berlin manufacturing plant..."
So no worries on that rumor.
They may be taking a loss on each S1000RR. Plenty of car manufacturers subsidize less profitable models with their higher margin vehicles.
2002 954RR...She may not look like much, but she's got it where it counts, kid.
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BMW thinks they can get 10% of the liter-sportbike market, which has remained relatively strong worldwide. Everything I'm reading about the streetbike version puts it in the top echelon of performance of any brand. It looks weird, clearly, but other riders are only going to see the back of it anyway. It's more tolerable in red/white/blue IMO.
They priced it right, but their commitment to making odd looking (albeit capable) vehicles seems to be well-entrenched.
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Originally Posted by davef
From the March 2010 Sportrider in response to a reader who claimed that a BMW sales assistant at his local dealer said the S1000RR would be manufactured in China "We're not sure where the sales assistant got his information, but he's way off the mark. The S 1000 RRs are all assembled at BMW's massive Berlin manufacturing plant..."
So no worries on that rumor.
They may be taking a loss on each S1000RR. Plenty of car manufacturers subsidize less profitable models with their higher margin vehicles.
Sorry to persist with this issue - I'm not wanting to be argumentative..
I understood that they were being ASSEMBLED in Germany, from parts MANUFACTURED elsewhere. I had not suggested the assembly happened outside Germany - only that parts manufacture was outsourced.
And yes - manufacturers do subsidise flagship models with more 'bread and butter' models - but the pricing of the S1000RR would seem to be pitched more at volume sales than flagship marketing.
There have been some fairly catastrophic fork leg failures on the 650 single-cylinder BM - met an owner who was very badly injured - I thought Asian out-sourcing had been blamed for those?
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I'm sure it's assembled in Germany.
I'm also sure they source components from all over the world.
There is really no such thing as "made in xxx" for something even nearly as complicated as a motorcycle. Any device/machine with much complexity uses parts sourced from all over.
That which Fortune has not given, she cannot take away. -Seneca
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I suspect we are now in an era of manufacturing where the 'name brand' has outsourced component manufacture to someone who may have (in turn) outsourced supply of components, to the extent that the 'name brand' may not necessarily even know for certain where every last part is sourced from.
This is very unlike German industrial practice/standards as we have come to understand them, but seems to be what is happening with the most traditional market-leading brands nowadays. If BMW are outsourcing components - and let's face it (as Luvto noted) - everyone is nowadays, we could expect that they would have a stringent quality control programme, in keeping with their identity/history.
The concern is that the odd 650 forkleg gets through.. Even the Ohlins forks on the 1198 had QC issues, so no-one's pointing the finger at China. And in reality, China has the ability to produce quality to match the best in the world; it's only that what they can produce, and what they actually produce, are often two different things.
The fact is the S1000RR seems to be a very highly equipped European bike for the price. If significant percentages of its components were made in Asia/Spain/Brazil wherever, they are unlikely to advertise the fact, are they?
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They certainly don't advertise the quantity of parts on a Duc or Harley sourced in Japan...
That which Fortune has not given, she cannot take away. -Seneca
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Components are getting much more complicated as electronics are taking over mechanical functions. For instance, throttle control. It used to be a couple levers, two springs and a wire. Now we have a whole network of processors and sensors working together and in conjunction with ESC, ABS, BAS, TC, etc.
The capabilities are much greater as a result, and the performance is greatly increased. A mere mortal can drive like Daniel Sordo much easier today than 20 years ago, but I think it comes at the cost of simplicity. I'm not saying it's a bad thing; it's just more complicated with a good result overall, IMO.
The line separating engine mechanic and computer technician is getting a bit blurry lately.
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Originally Posted by ONEvcs
The line separating engine mechanic and computer technician is getting a bit blurry lately.
It's a long running trend.
As a junior mechanical engineering student I declared a dual major, ME/EE for this reason. There are also "mechatronic" engineering programs now too.
I decided to get out of school and didn't finish the EE, but mechanical guys have seen the writing on the wall for a long time.
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Do too.
Dan just sent me a message.
Dealer got their first S1000RR in but BMW is requiring them to demo it for 2500mi. The next one won't be in until June.
Not good, BMW. Not good.
Well, looks like I put on the glasses and big nose disguise and go put a couple hundred easy miles on the demo bike. 
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Veni Vidi Vici !!
Kinda lame when he's ready to buy but if I were you I'd definitely go have some fun. If the snow ever melts here I'll have to go put some miles on one.
...dude you ride an offroad bike with slicks, 1/2 the weight of a GS, double the suspension, with a browning 50 cal going off 32" from your skull as a daily freaking driver - I'd expect anything except a nitro dragbike to be bland by comparison - SSG
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Me at the zoo
edit: June.
I also don't think they are going to sell that demo bike, I believe they scrap it -wacky Germans  (of course after their engineers take it apart). Sounds like what Honda did with the Integra Type-R waaay back in the day.
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There's a lot going on with that bike, both technologically and culturally...a soft launch may not be a bad strategy...
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Originally Posted by luvtolean
They certainly don't advertise the quantity of parts on a Duc or Harley sourced in Japan...
Some of that has changed a little over time. I recall an owner asking me to remove the Showa/Japan from his Harley forklegs back in the '70s, even though it was hidden on the inside, covered by the mudguard!
Nowadays a proud Showa label sits front and centre on suspension on Ducatis etc. as we have come to acknowledge Japanese technology (even though much of it may no longer be manufactured in Japan..).
My '90s Ducatis had Showas front and rear, Mikuni carbs, Kokusan ignition etc. The most highly-esteemed mod was fitting Keihin FCR carbs..
The 1098S has less Japanese major componentry, but yes - we don't know where so much of our consumer goods are actually made. I looked under the bonnet of a 'German' Ford yesterday, where every label appeared to be Czech. We like to rely on Bosch for German quality, but of course they have plants all over the world.
I hope the new BMW foray into sports bikes is a success - we need more brands competing in Superbike - regardless of where its components may be sourced. I think we all accept that even the most high-line models will use components from around the world; I guess it just comes back to quality control, and close scrutiny of off-shore suppliers.
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Veni Vidi Vici !!
Originally Posted by SomeStrangeGuy
Local dealer said BMW telling everyone with preorders June, but the dealier is expecting April, and as such - are telling some people that, judging by the guy that put his $ on one yesterday. Doesen't make sense, because every other time anything like this has emerged the dealership is in the dark until the truck is backing into the dock.
I also don't think they are going to sell that demo bike, I believe they scrap it -wacky Germans (of course after their engineers take it apart). Sounds like what Honda did with the Integra Type-R waaay back in the day.
I didn't ask the fate of the one here at my local dealer or how long they'd had it but it's been here in person for at least a week.
...dude you ride an offroad bike with slicks, 1/2 the weight of a GS, double the suspension, with a browning 50 cal going off 32" from your skull as a daily freaking driver - I'd expect anything except a nitro dragbike to be bland by comparison - SSG
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Originally Posted by Baketech
There's a lot going on with that bike, both technologically and culturally...a soft launch may not be a bad strategy...
Indeed. A buddy of mine that owns some pretty high tech bikes (he's had an '06 Jordan Suzuki, and one of Zemke's Erion Hondas, and now has an '09 Jordan Suzuki and an '09 1098R) has one of these on pre-order. He was allowed to demo one at the track. He said, he could not believe the electronics on this thing. Told me that after a few laps he was so impressed with the TC that he kept trying harder and harder to get it to step out exiting a corner... finally, he said, at full lean he had the confidence to ham-fist the throttle. He said it didn't even pump, just locked in as he stood it up. He noted most that the the TC was absolutely seamless. Superior to both the TC systems on his Jordan and his Duc. Also, the linked breaking is far superior to stuff Honda has been putting out. He couldn't believe how planted it was under braking while leaning into the corner after the straights. Apparently, it has a stock launch control system too, but he didn't test that. At the price they are selling (pre-selling) these things for right now, with this much technology, is an absolute steal.
Last edited by MotoVegas; 02-19-2010 at 10:01 AM.
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edit: fixed my prior post too, June availability here as well.
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Originally Posted by SomeStrangeGuy
edit: fixed my prior post too, June availability here as well.
picking it up in time for Grattan?
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Me at the zoo
Originally Posted by CBR929RE
picking it up in time for Grattan?
lol, not me 
some nesr dudes...seems a few on there are getting them, one this weekend and two others in - June 
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Originally Posted by SomeStrangeGuy
lol, not me
some nesr dudes...seems a few on there are getting them, one this weekend and two others in - June
yeah I saw one or two of them post about it. can't wait to get passed by one of them at the track 
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Enjoyed the YouTube - thanks SSG. Gets a bit light in the front at 10,000 RPM in 3rd by the looks of it! Fairly casual attitude to Stop signs and double centre-lines I notice..
Vegas' buddy's report re. the "seamless" TC augurs well also. These things are obviously going to be serious contenders, in both WSBK and the marketplace.
Can't do much with the looks still - if they're going to 'grow on me' it could take a while. Same for that unfortunate yellow colour. They displayed them here in that colour also. Uugh..
I'm thinking the silver and the white with red/blue stripes will be the popular colours. Might have to discount the yellow ones!
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YouTube - BMW S1000RR Technical Video - Valves in Motion High RPM
Just watched the video, I honestly don't know how things don't go boom at that speed... wow...
See you at GRATTAN
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Originally Posted by NorthernRR
Beautiful.
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That's an interesting side effect of the electronics era. I wonder if more manufacturer's will do something similar. It's also an interesting way of forcing you to the dealer for the first service. Something that I would do myself and not pay for under other circumstances.
...dude you ride an offroad bike with slicks, 1/2 the weight of a GS, double the suspension, with a browning 50 cal going off 32" from your skull as a daily freaking driver - I'd expect anything except a nitro dragbike to be bland by comparison - SSG
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The hype is low.
Wow ... really? That's a bit big brother-ish.
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At the risk of going all RedRider on you...
YouTube - BMW S1000 RR. Dinner for RR.
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Originally Posted by bwhip
Its amazing the things that people tend to come up with when it comes to a new bike...just ride the damn thing!
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