phobe

I have no figures to back this up, but I'm quite certain that more and more club racing grid positions are being filled by 600rrs since the 07 came out and starting winning comparison tests.

With a more hard-core 1000rr about to hit the market, in the next few years will we see Hondas become as ubiquitous in club racing as the GSXRs have become? As more people choose 600RRs and 1000RRs parts availability will get better and they will become more practical as a club racing platform.

AFAIK Honda's contingency programs are weak compared to Suzuki... will that be a factor? Will Honda step up?

Talk amongst yourselves.

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You had me at "I have no figures to back this up..."

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I'll wager that if you were to look at race registrations across North America you will find a much greater percentage of Hondas in 08 comared to 07.

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How about a poutine?

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Nope, Suzuki's are more widely used in most race orgs that I know of. Basiclly due to contingency pay outs. Suzuki's have also been a more stable platform as far as dependability as well in recent years.

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phobe

I know that Suzukis are more widely used... I'm saying that the number of Hondas seems to be on the rise.

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Jetbdude

It sure does! Ask NH and Firefly.

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Perhaps, but I don't see any sign that that plan to increase the contingency payouts. If they're going to do it, they better announce it soon. The available HRC parts could be an indication of plans to increase support of the club/amateur ranks.

IIRC, most if not all contingency programs only apply to the expert classes. So if you're going to look at the number of Honda's vs. Suzuki's and Kawi's (as they also have a good contingency program) on the grid, you should probably separate Experts from novice. I'd expect that you might be more right for only the novice ranks if a) my memory is correct about it only applying to Experts and b) Honda's contingency program follows suit and c) Honda's contingency program is on par w/ the other two.

Basically it all comes down to who's going to pay the racer the most money.

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You're on the pipe. Maybe if you're comparing Suzuki's history to Suzuki's present.

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In 2007 at MOM in Utah, there were just a handful of CBR600RR's compared to the R6's and GSXR's on the grid. I think there was only one '07 out there regularly. Same with the literbikes - hardly any CBR's. I'd love to see it change, but a lot has to do with contingency payouts.

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Suzuki you have to be an expert, Honda doesn't say either way. and looks like Honda is paying a little less but there isn't as big of a gap between first and second place finishes.

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No twins for WERA so I guess my big payout for 15th is out.....

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So what issues have Suzuki had lately?
They did have a frame issue, but I believe it was mostly prevalent in street bikes. (stunting abuse)

Honda has been (in past years) underpowered.
Yamaha has the know issue of motors grenading recently.
Kawi engineers cannot build a chassis that anybody can get dialed in correctly.

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Honda might gain some traction with the local racers but it's not going to be significant. Suzuki has a very broad penetration of the market. OEM parts are far cheaper not to mention abundant, in part probably thanks to squids.

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Don't forget the 600's burn on Yamaha at times

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That is just when is is crashed. Not a good situation, but the bike was not engineered to slide down the track.

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abtech

while the GSXR's have that feature built in right?

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Hondas bigest problem has been a lack of money for non-pro racers. Abnormal rear suspension and weight (they were just plan heavy). Their motors have been strong but pulling more weight is a uphill battle.

Suzukis has had valve and valve keeper issues in the resent past, and crank issues in the newer SV650s. But they put up good money for club level racers and there are more parts for them at the track if you break some thing. It does help that for some years the rear sets would fit a few differant bikes Sv650 and GSXRs.

Yamaha has always had great handling but have not crashed well and that is important to club racers with limited funds. Not to mention the resent weak motors and lack of mid range.

Kawi's have always been kind of in a world of their own, it take a special person to one a green bike.